Ruined kidneys? 59eGFR

[hallehason]

Hello,

I’ve been doing bloods consistently to moniture my kidneys as the eGFR has been decreasing from 90 to 59 in a 2 year frame which is extremely concerning for me as I’m under 30 years old.

Some information about me:
105kg/230lb
15%bf
6 workouts a week, cardio 1h daily, caloric deficit for 3 months now
Cycle: 150mg Test E/week with 400mg Primo E/Week started 1 month ago
Extremely clean diet, organic food, no processed food and minimal sugar intake. Protein intake is 250g daily.

I’ve tried 8g of astragalus daily, with pycnogenol and grape seed extract, did not do anything to increase my eGFR. Water intake is minimum 6L/day of filtered water.

Estrogen, prolactin and progesterone is in range aswell through another lab. You can see my recent bloods down below, a few markers out of range, any advice is more than welcome! If there is any information I can provide just let me know. ”Järn” on the blood test is translated to ”Iron”.

[Test Monsterone]

I had exactly the same thing happen.My egfr was in the upper 80s when I started, and dropped down to the low 60s after a few years. I didn’t even do any crazy cycles. I’m not sure what it is now as I’ve been off for many months and haven’t done blood work, but I’m curious if that improved.

You’re doing an hour of cardio a day? That’s way too much man. Also 6 days of lifting is way too much, imo. You could cut your workouts in half and just life 3 days a week and do cardio 2-3 days and you’ll likely see the same results, maybe better. You’re definitely overdoing it, and muscle breakdown and excess protein, even a lot of cardio, are all hard on the kidneys.

[Cuz]

Over the last 10 years mine has ranged from 51-71. As of couple months ago was 61. I wouldnt get worried unless it went below 40. Also, your tsh is very high.

I would cut a couple of days workouts out and lighten the cardio a bit and see if it increases. Bump the astragulus up to 15 g daily and see if it that helps

[Honkey_Kong]

Hello,

I’ve been doing bloods consistently to moniture my kidneys as the eGFR has been decreasing from 90 to 59 in a 2 year frame which is extremely concerning for me as I’m under 30 years old.

Some information about me:
105kg/230lb
15%bf
6 workouts a week, cardio 1h daily, caloric deficit for 3 months now
Cycle: 150mg Test E/week with 400mg Primo E/Week started 1 month ago
Extremely clean diet, organic food, no processed food and minimal sugar intake. Protein intake is 250g daily.

I’ve tried 8g of astragalus daily, with pycnogenol and grape seed extract, did not do anything to increase my eGFR. Water intake is minimum 6L/day of filtered water.

Estrogen, prolactin and progesterone is in range aswell through another lab. You can see my recent bloods down below, a few markers out of range, any advice is more than welcome! If there is any information I can provide just let me know. ”Järn” on the blood test is translated to ”Iron”.

According to your blood work, the things that are elevated or low are barely elevated or low, except for your creatinine level. What I would suggest you do is take a week off of the gym and retest at the end. Before you go to retest, drink an entire liter and a half of water prior to drawing blood and make sure you haven't eaten food for 12 hours prior to drawing blood.

If you're still high then you probably should consider life changes. There is no repairing of damaged kidneys. But you can manage the progression of the disease.

Do you have high blood pressure or diabetes? And you don't take NSAIDs like Ibuprofen or Naproxen when you're sore from the gym?

[hallehason]

Over the last 10 years mine has ranged from 51-71. As of couple months ago was 61. I wouldnt get worried unless it went below 40. Also, your tsh is very high.

I would cut a couple of days workouts out and lighten the cardio a bit and see if it increases. Bump the astragulus up to 15 g daily and see if it that helps

Interesting. Yeah I’m hypothyroid, no matter how much i increase my meds it just wont go lower, just more side effects and high RT3.

Will lower my protein intake to 200g, add more water, lower workouts to 3-4x/week. Do less cardio. The only problem with astragalus is that it ruins my thyroid a little bit. Im on 100 T4/20 T3.

[hallehason]

According to your blood work, the things that are elevated or low are barely elevated or low, except for your creatinine level. What I would suggest you do is take a week off of the gym and retest at the end. Before you go to retest, drink an entire liter and a half of water prior to drawing blood and make sure you haven't eaten food for 12 hours prior to drawing blood.

If you're still high then you probably should consider life changes. There is no repairing of damaged kidneys. But you can manage the progression of the disease.

Do you have high blood pressure or diabetes? And you don't take NSAIDs like Ibuprofen or Naproxen when you're sore from the gym?

BP is at 125/80. Blood sugar is low as you can see on the bloods, no diabetes. I think the culprit may be my intense addiction to working out. Ill cut it down and try a new blood test, obviously with 1L minimum water pre test and 12h fast.

I never take NSAIDS, never.

Thank you

[almostgone]

Take a week off from heavy lifting and retest.. Continue to stay well hydrated particularly the night before testing.If you just absolutely can't skip some form of exercise, take a walk. Nothing crazy, just a decent pace


Just saw Honkey_Kong's post...he has you covered.

Also what Cuz said about eGFR fluctuating is true.

If the creatinine comes down, the eGFR will likely come up.
This is going to sound weird, but when you urinate does it make foam? Don't confuse bubbles with foam. Bubbles will flush, foam doesn't.

[Honkey_Kong]

Take a week off from heavy lifting and retest.. Continue to stay well hydrated particularly the night before testing.If you just absolutely can't skip some form of exercise, take a walk. Nothing crazy, just a decent pace


Just saw Honkey_Kong's post...he has you covered.

Also what Cuz said about eGFR fluctuating is true.

If the creatinine comes down, the eGFR will likely come up.
This is going to sound weird, but when you urinate does it make foam? Don't confuse bubbles with foam. Bubbles will flush, foam doesn't.

A good way to tell the difference between the foam and bubbles is if when you flush the foam tends to still be there a little bit afterwards

[almostgone]

A good way to tell the difference between the foam and bubbles is if when you flush the foam tends to still be there a little bit afterwards

Yep, just like the foam on a badly drawn draft beer. The foam just clings.

[Honkey_Kong]

BP is at 125/80. Blood sugar is low as you can see on the bloods, no diabetes. I think the culprit may be my intense addiction to working out. Ill cut it down and try a new blood test, obviously with 1L minimum water pre test and 12h fast.

I never take NSAIDS, never.

Thank you

I have a thread on this site created already about this topic. You might want to jump in there:

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...-function.html

[Cuz]

A good way to tell the difference between the foam and bubbles is if when you flush the foam tends to still be there a little bit afterwards

Everytime i get done with an intense session say back or legs , its always very foamy. Im not sure if there is a way of preventing it if it is im all ears.

Op AG and honky are experts on this kidney function they def know their stuff.

With that tsh, man your diet is gonna have to damn perfect that would be hard for me mine runs .5-.6 so i can cheat more on my diet. Anyway you got some good advice here good luck op

[Honkey_Kong]

Everytime i get done with an intense session say back or legs , its always very foamy. Im not sure if there is a way of preventing it if it is im all ears.

Op AG and honky are experts on this kidney function they def know their stuff.

With that tsh, man your diet is gonna have to damn perfect that would be hard for me mine runs .5-.6 so i can cheat more on my diet. Anyway you got some good advice here good luck op

Yeah, there really isn't anyway around the foamy piss after a hard workout. At least for those of us with diminishing kidney functionality. But excreting protein waste and higher creatinine levels should be expected in people that do intense exercise regularly. And as said before in other threads the eGFR doesn't really apply so much for people that have higher muscle mass over the normal population. Black people on average have more muscle mass than caucasians have and that's why labs take in to account their race when calculating the eGFR.

Really what they need is to take height and lean muscle mass in to account when they calculate the eGFR otherwise, the results from it can be so inaccurate it's not worth even using.

[Cuz]

Yeah, there really isn't anyway around the foamy piss after a hard workout. At least for those of us with diminishing kidney functionality. But excreting protein waste and higher creatinine levels should be expected in people that do intense exercise regularly. And as said before in other threads the eGFR doesn't really apply so much for people that have higher muscle mass over the normal population. Black people on average have more muscle mass than caucasians have and that's why labs take in to account their race when calculating the eGFR.

Really what they need is to take height and lean muscle mass in to account when they calculate the eGFR otherwise, the results from it can be so inaccurate it's not worth even using.

I always wondered why it listed african american egfr. So its the muscle mass in black men ? Wow, not surprising

[almostgone]

Everytime i get done with an intense session say back or legs , its always very foamy. Im not sure if there is a way of preventing it if it is im all ears.

Op AG and honky are experts on this kidney function they def know their stuff.

With that tsh, man your diet is gonna have to damn perfect that would be hard for me mine runs .5-.6 so i can cheat more on my diet. Anyway you got some good advice here good luck op

Even a high protein meal get me foamy. I can eat/overeat 12-16 os of steelhead or salmon and I m guaranteed to be Mr. Bubble afterwards.
When I follow my normal protein intake, no issues except for the times the kidneys act up. It's not chronic proteinuria, just more than the kidneys could filter at the time.

Yeah, there really isn't anyway around the foamy piss after a hard workout. At least for those of us with diminishing kidney functionality. But excreting protein waste and higher creatinine levels should be expected in people that do intense exercise regularly. And as said before in other threads the eGFR doesn't really apply so much for people that have higher muscle mass over the normal population. Black people on average have more muscle mass than caucasians have and that's why labs take in to account their race when calculating the eGFR.

Really what they need is to take height and lean muscle mass in to account when they calculate the eGFR otherwise, the results from it can be so inaccurate it's not worth even using.

I wondered the same thing about the differences in eGFR and my Dr.said the same. It's just genetic different between African Americans and Caucasian Americans. She gave me the brief breakdown on how they did all of these studies decades ago and used the data from the study groups and threw some statistics in to establish a "rough" guideline so they have some frame of reference.

[almostgone]

LOL, then we see Brian Shaw and these other phenomenally strong guys just pounding the calories in and I'm almost willing to bet they use every bit of their protein intake. They definitely must have the deluxe version toilets!

[Cuz]

LOL, then we see Brian Shaw and these other phenomenally strong guys just pounding the calories in and I'm almost willing to bet they use every bit of their protein intake. They definitely must have the deluxe version toilets!

I couldn’t imagine trying to maintain a 400 pound bodyweight. 250 is hard as fuck. It would be at least 10kcals a day id imagine. How do the kidneys and digestive system handle that kind of food?

[almostgone]

I couldn’t imagine trying to maintain a 400 pound bodyweight. 250 is hard as fuck. It would be at least 10kcals a day id imagine. How do the kidneys and digestive system handle that kind of food?

......and the toilets handle the volume of waste and weight?
It's mind boggling!!

There's definitely more than just genetics and a ridiculously efficient metabolism involved. There's a huge amount of discipline and determination.

[Honkey_Kong]

I couldn’t imagine trying to maintain a 400 pound bodyweight. 250 is hard as fuck. It would be at least 10kcals a day id imagine. How do the kidneys and digestive system handle that kind of food?

I'll bet you he's got CKD, high blood pressure atherosclerosis, liver problems and a whole mess of other problems. You can't be his size for as long as he's been competing at a level of strongman that he competes at without having serious problems brewing inside. He eats everyday what a family eats in a week and you know he's on a lot of gear.

He has youtube videos showing his 10kcal diet too.

[Honkey_Kong]

......and the toilets handle the volume of waste and weight?
It's mind boggling!!

There's definitely more than just genetics and a ridiculously efficient metabolism involved. There's a huge amount of discipline and determination.

I'll bet you he's got some really bad hemorrhoids too. You can't eat that much food and consume as much protein as he does without having some serious sessions in the bathroom.

[Cuz]

I'll bet you he's got some really bad hemorrhoids too. You can't eat that much food and consume as much protein as he does without having some serious sessions in the bathroom.

Agreed when i hit 230 i started havin roid problems. Shit aint fun.

But as for his possible health issues. I mean, isnt he 4x wsm? You know at that level its do anything possible to win id say he gets a pass

Insane determination i agree AG

[Honkey_Kong]

Agreed when i hit 230 i started havin roid problems. Shit aint fun.

But as for his possible health issues. I mean, isnt he 4x wsm? You know at that level its do anything possible to win id say he gets a pass

Insane determination i agree AG

Yeah he was gifted with the genetics that let him naturally be insanely strong and he had the determination to do whatever it took to be the best. And from what I gather, he's a nice guy too.

[Cylon357]

Agreed when i hit 230 i started havin roid problems. Shitting aint fun.

Fixed.

Been there, done that, got the bloody bowl.

[Lemonada8]

TLDR...

short answer:
That GFR is fine. I wouldnt stress.

I didnt see a creatinine though... i would be more interested in that more than a eGFR if i were truely concerned.

[almostgone]

TLDR...

short answer:
That GFR is fine. I wouldnt stress.

I didnt see a creatinine though... i would be more interested in that more than a eGFR if i were truely concerned.

I believe that's it right above the eGFR. P-Kreatinin.

[Honkey_Kong]

Fixed.

Been there, done that, got the bloody bowl.

This could turn in to a whole new thread. I think every single one of us has this same shitty problem. I might've put the makers of Preparation H's kids through college with the amount of tubes I've gone through.

[Test Monsterone]

I don't think I ever had hemorrhoids but I do get fissures off and on... painful as fuck. Weight lifting seems to make it worse, especially leg days.

[Lemonada8]

I believe that's it right above the eGFR. P-Kreatinin.

gotcha, thanks!

yea, the eGFR is only 'abnormal' because the Cr is high... but being a muscular person, and working out and on cycle... thats going to be higher naturally. doesnt indicate any significant issue.

[Cylon357]

I couldn’t imagine trying to maintain a 400 pound bodyweight. 250 is hard as fuck. It would be at least 10kcals a day id imagine. How do the kidneys and digestive system handle that kind of food?

We are about to go completely off the rails, crazy trainers!

Speaking of GOATs, and how heavy they are / were, here is a pic I stole from somewhere of Shaw and Ed Coan. Coan is, I think, about 5'6", plus or minus, but competed all the way into the 275 lb weight class at one point. I think he did his best at 220, though.

[almostgone]

We are about to go completely off the rails, crazy trainers!

Speaking of GOATs, and how heavy they are / were, here is a pic I stole from somewhere of Shaw and Ed Coan. Coan is, I think, about 5'6", plus or minus, but competed all the way into the 275 lb weight class at one point. I think he did his best at 220, though.

LOL, Coan is a built like a fire hydrant. A very strong, very wise fire hydrant. Definitely qualifies as a GOAT.

[Cuz]

Ed is definitely the GOAT. John Hack is in that convo too.

[Honkey_Kong]

We are about to go completely off the rails, crazy trainers!

Speaking of GOATs, and how heavy they are / were, here is a pic I stole from somewhere of Shaw and Ed Coan. Coan is, I think, about 5'6", plus or minus, but competed all the way into the 275 lb weight class at one point. I think he did his best at 220, though.

Ed looks like a legit midget next to Brian hahaha.

[almostgone]

Ed is definitely the GOAT. John Hack is in that convo too.

For his weight, he's one of the strongest around, IMHO.

[TheDRG]

Hello,

I’ve been doing bloods consistently to moniture my kidneys as the eGFR has been decreasing from 90 to 59 in a 2 year frame which is extremely concerning for me as I’m under 30 years old.

Some information about me:
105kg/230lb
15%bf
6 workouts a week, cardio 1h daily, caloric deficit for 3 months now
Cycle: 150mg Test E/week with 400mg Primo E/Week started 1 month ago
Extremely clean diet, organic food, no processed food and minimal sugar intake. Protein intake is 250g daily.

I’ve tried 8g of astragalus daily, with pycnogenol and grape seed extract, did not do anything to increase my eGFR. Water intake is minimum 6L/day of filtered water.

Estrogen, prolactin and progesterone is in range aswell through another lab. You can see my recent bloods down below, a few markers out of range, any advice is more than welcome! If there is any information I can provide just let me know. ”Järn” on the blood test is translated to ”Iron”.

What has your creatine intake been? Although I struggle with some lab values, egfr isn't one of them and now I am curious as to creatine intake. Mine is low but steady.

[hallehason]

What has your creatine intake been? Although I struggle with some lab values, egfr isn't one of them and now I am curious as to creatine intake. Mine is low but steady.

I do not supplement creatine at all. I eat a lot of meat/chicken. 1lb daily