Mild cycle planning

[Positiveweight]

16 week cycle. HGH use will continue for as long as possible. A drop down to TRT doses will follow after the 16 weeks. Goal of the cycle is for fat loss and for the healing properties of HGH and deca. Since even 50mg of Deca a week is enough to get it's healing properties, a dose of 150mg a week is placed due to the ease of use during syringe loading and also to add a little bit of a mass gainer/muscle preservation use during this mild cycle.

150mg of Deca once a week
300mg test enanthate once a week
200mg Masteron enanthate once a week
50mg of anavar daily for 8 weeks
0.5 Adex every third day
750IU HCG weekly
3.33IU HGH daily

[Cylon357]

16 week cycle. HGH use will continue for as long as possible. A drop down to TRT doses will follow after the 16 weeks. Goal of the cycle is for fat loss and for the healing properties of HGH and deca. Since even 50mg of Deca a week is enough to get it's healing properties, a dose of 150mg a week is placed due to the ease of use during syringe loading and also to add a little bit of a mass gainer/muscle preservation use during this mild cycle.

150mg of Deca once a week
300mg test enanthate once a week
200mg Masteron enanthate once a week
50mg of anavar daily for 8 weeks
0.5 Adex every third day
750IU HCG weekly
3.33IU HGH daily

I like the IDEA of this cycle but I do have a few questions.

First, that seems like a big dose of adex. You have both masteron and anavar in play with only 300 test... in other words, this feels like a cycle that will bottom out your estrogen. That will limit your gains and also weaken your immune system. This will also potentially negate the healing properties you are looking to obtain.

Second, that is an odd dose of HGH. How did you get there? Do you plan AM or PM dosing? One shot or two?

Finally, all of your steroid injections are once per week... Are you planning on doing everything at once or 3 different shots per week?

[Positiveweight]

I like the IDEA of this cycle but I do have a few questions.

First, that seems like a big dose of adex. You have both masteron and anavar in play with only 300 test... in other words, this feels like a cycle that will bottom out your estrogen. That will limit your gains and also weaken your immune system. This will also potentially negate the healing properties you are looking to obtain.

Second, that is an odd dose of HGH. How did you get there? Do you plan AM or PM dosing? One shot or two?

Finally, all of your steroid injections are once per week... Are you planning on doing everything at once or 3 different shots per week?

HGH is dosed at 3.33IU because there are 10IU's per vial and want each vile to be used within three days. A lower dosing to an even 2IU will be considered if recommended.

Removal of Adex for the first 6-8 weeks is a possible alternative? This way I can get my bloods checked out after 6-8 weeks and assess rather Adex is even needed.

Preferably would like to do all oil intramuscular shots on Monday because it's just easier. However the traditional Monday to Thursday schedule is something I'm open too.

HCG will be Monday Wednesday Friday.

Deca can be increased to 300mg if necessary. I've slipped my L3/L4, L4/L5 and L5/S1 disk during some outrageous lifting at my local YMCA. 780 lbs leg pressing, aggressive T bar rowing and to the machine hack squatting. A 340lbs hex bar deadlift was the final give. Muscles were ready but not the body. Each slip is mild and may not need corticosteroid shots but I'm pushing for it because I love lifting intensely so much that I'm prone for another slip. Physical therapy and having my hex bar deadlift form checked out will be done and then some as my form may not be the issue. It's unknown right now.

HGH use is not only for fat loss but for cell recovery purposes... The primary reason for the use of Deca is pretty much for it's healing properties.

Hope that's enough insight.

[Cylon357]

HGH is dosed at 3.33IU because there are 10IU's per vial and want each vile to be used within three days. A lower dosing to an even 2IU will be considered if recommended.

Removal of Adex for the first 6-8 weeks is a possible alternative? This way I can get my bloods checked out after 6-8 weeks and assess rather Adex is even needed.

Preferably would like to do all oil intramuscular shots on Monday because it's just easier. However the traditional Monday to Thursday schedule is something I'm open too.

HCG will be Monday Wednesday Friday.

Deca can be increased to 300mg if necessary. I've slipped my L3/L4, L4/L5 and L5/S1 disk during some outrageous lifting at my local YMCA. 780 lbs leg pressing, aggressive T bar rowing and to the machine hack squatting. A 340lbs hex bar deadlift was the final give. Muscles were ready but not the body. Each slip is mild and may not need corticosteroid shots but I'm pushing for it because I love lifting intensely so much that I'm prone for another slip. Physical therapy and having my hex bar deadlift form checked out will be done and then some as my form may not be the issue. It's unknown right now.

HGH use is not only for fat loss but for cell recovery purposes... The primary reason for the use of Deca is pretty much for it's healing properties.

Hope that's enough insight.

I think it is smart to hold off on the adex until blood work. My guess is you won't need it at all at those doses.

BUT

If you are having some disk issues, I don't think I would be cycling now. Let that heal, maybe add some deca and hgh to your trt, but give your back time to heal up.

[kelkel]

I think it is smart to hold off on the adex until blood work. My guess is you won't need it at all at those doses.

BUT

If you are having some disk issues, I don't think I would be cycling now. Let that heal, maybe add some deca and hgh to your trt, but give your back time to heal up.

All this!

[Honkey_Kong]

16 week cycle. HGH use will continue for as long as possible. A drop down to TRT doses will follow after the 16 weeks. Goal of the cycle is for fat loss and for the healing properties of HGH and deca. Since even 50mg of Deca a week is enough to get it's healing properties, a dose of 150mg a week is placed due to the ease of use during syringe loading and also to add a little bit of a mass gainer/muscle preservation use during this mild cycle.

150mg of Deca once a week
300mg test enanthate once a week
200mg Masteron enanthate once a week
50mg of anavar daily for 8 weeks
0.5 Adex every third day
750IU HCG weekly
3.33IU HGH daily

Davi this is hardly a "mild cycle"

[Positiveweight]

I think it is smart to hold off on the adex until blood work. My guess is you won't need it at all at those doses.

BUT

If you are having some disk issues, I don't think I would be cycling now. Let that heal, maybe add some deca and hgh to your trt, but give your back time to heal up.

The irony is that the whole point of Deca combined with HGH use is to help support physical therapy/recovery. I'm forced to stop deadlifting and barbell rows or at least avoid heavy lifts and do high repetitions with light weights.

It'll probably be worth paying for or hiring a personal trainer to examine my compound/heavy lifts for proper form and execution just to eliminate incorrect form as a possibility.

The benefit of using Deca on top of everything else is I plan on doing lower back extensions until I just can't do anymore. Very very very slowly add plates during progression of strength and endurance. I mean really ****ing develop a Christmas tree with all the Christmas lights and the angel on top. Probably do some glute and hamstring development as well.

If anyone else has some suggestions for strengthening auxiliary muscles used during deadlifts, reverse hack squats and leg pressing please speak away.

[Honkey_Kong]

The irony is that the whole point of Deca combined with HGH use is to help support physical therapy/recovery. I'm forced to stop deadlifting and barbell rows or at least avoid heavy lifts and do high repetitions with light weights.

It'll probably be worth paying for or hiring a personal trainer to examine my compound/heavy lifts for proper form and execution just to eliminate incorrect form as a possibility.

The benefit of using Deca on top of everything else is I plan on doing lower back extensions until I just can't do anymore. Very very very slowly add plates during progression of strength and endurance. I mean really ****ing develop a Christmas tree with all the Christmas lights and the angel on top. Probably do some glute and hamstring development as well.

If anyone else has some suggestions for strengthening auxiliary muscles used during deadlifts, reverse hack squats and leg pressing please speak away.

There are always Good Mornings, low cable row, leg curling, Romanian deadlifts, etc.

[Cylon357]

There are always Good Mornings, low cable row, leg curling, Romanian deadlifts, etc.

My best deadlifts and squats come when I have seated good mornings in my rotation. Standing good mornings... I ain't gonna lie, that one scares me, but the seated variety seems to give me more control and perhaps a false sense of security.

[teedoff]

My best deadlifts and squats come when I have seated good mornings in my rotation. Standing good mornings... I ain't gonna lie, that one scares me, but the seated variety seems to give me more control and perhaps a false sense of security.

Used to do standing good mornings when I was in my thirties. Yeah, now that I'm near 60, they do kinda scare me. But doing lighter weight with more reps makes them somewhat tolerable. We don't do them that often though.

[Positiveweight]

Davi this is hardly a "mild cycle"

When you stack everything together I guess I can see this. I know it's a cycle my body can handle just from previous use. But I will say any higher and it's not that I necessarily couldn't handle it. I just would rather preserve higher dosage for later on.

What is throwing it over the top? I'm assuming the Deca and perhaps the 3.33IU?

[Positiveweight]

My best deadlifts and squats come when I have seated good mornings in my rotation. Standing good mornings... I ain't gonna lie, that one scares me, but the seated variety seems to give me more control and perhaps a false sense of security.

I'll have to give good mornings a go too. Seems to target all the muscles surrounding any "weak points".

@Honkey_Kong
Thanks for mentioning this exercise. It also looks like a good way to practice proper barbell location for squats. An exercise I've been avoiding for the same reason as the disk failure. I've got to learn how to pace myself whenever I'm cleared by doctors or physical therapists! I'm almost for certain it's a posture issue. My gut is telling me that anyway, physical therapy can conclude that. I hope so anyway

[Honkey_Kong]

I'll have to give good mornings a go too. Seems to target all the muscles surrounding any "weak points".

@Honkey_Kong
Thanks for mentioning this exercise. It also looks like a good way to practice proper barbell location for squats. An exercise I've been avoiding for the same reason as the disk failure. I've got to learn how to pace myself whenever I'm cleared by doctors or physical therapists! I'm almost for certain it's a posture issue. My gut is telling me that anyway, physical therapy can conclude that. I hope so anyway

The key with the good mornings isn't to set 1RM record or anything. It's to train weak spots in your lower back. Keep the weights reasonable and do slow/controlled reps. You're really trying to train the back to prevent slipped or ruptured discs. There are plenty of exercises to train for explosive power. Good mornings aren't one of them.

Also with squats, try doing high bar and low bar squats.

[Positiveweight]

The key with the good mornings isn't to set 1RM record or anything. It's to train weak spots in your lower back. Keep the weights reasonable and do slow/controlled reps. You're really trying to train the back to prevent slipped or ruptured discs. There are plenty of exercises to train for explosive power. Good mornings aren't one of them.

Thank you for the feedback. I'm not a 1RM person for whatever it's worth. I do, however, push it to the max (hence the slipped discs).

For the good mornings would you recommend just to use an unloaded Olympic bar and much like lower back extensions, rep it out until fatigued?

[Honkey_Kong]

Thank you for the feedback. I'm not a 1RM person for whatever it's worth. I do, however, push it to the max (hence the slipped discs).

For the good mornings would you recommend just to use an unloaded Olympic bar and much like lower back extensions, rep it out until fatigued?

If you had access to a cambered bar, that's what I'd recommended using. If not just whatever bar you use for squats would be fine. You don't have to use an unloaded bar, just whatever weight you can safely do slowly and controlled. And as far as "rep it out" goes, if you're going slow and controlled, you're not going to be able to do as many reps as if you can if you're going as fast as possible. But yeah, you do want to be fatigued from it.

[Cylon357]

Thank you for the feedback. I'm not a 1RM person for whatever it's worth. I do, however, push it to the max (hence the slipped discs).

For the good mornings would you recommend just to use an unloaded Olympic bar and much like lower back extensions, rep it out until fatigued?

Start with an unloaded olympic bar. That may be as high as you go. I have in the past worked up to 225x8 in the seated variety, with slow, controlled movement throughout. The seated version by its nature kind of limits your ROM, that's OK in this case.