Masteron and Anavar: Or just one or the other

[Positiveweight]

So I'm choosing to do a mild cycle and finally closing in to being ready. The goal is to maintain my routine which is successfully working but ultimately to continue the shed of much needed loss of fat. Hence the Anavar . So here's the deal

I'm starting with a light order and ideally would like to take all three. But I'm also wondering if I should cut out the Masteron to double up on the Anavar since the full goal is really to shed fat.

Here is the cycle of you will
250mg Test E a week
250mg Mast E a week
25mg Anavar daily
25mg Anavar pre workout

The goal of using Anavar on workout days is to maximize on its digestive peak and half life to help shred away fat since I end every workout session with 20-30 minutes on a steep incline on the treadmill.

Most morning are fasted cardio with nothing but a protein shake and black coffee for fuel where I'll probably take the 25mg of Anavar daily in the morning upon wake up.

I love the idea of using Masteron as an additional agent and have done some reading on it. It'll help with my depression as test alone along with an SSRI has proven to put my depression in its place.

But I digress. Where the goal is fat burning I'm wondering in this light order if I should remove the Masteron and double up on Anavar.

As far as running Anavar past 8 weeks I don't mind running it for say 12-14 weeks since it's a mild compound and right now there's nothing that would be adding toxicity to my liver besides Anavar itself.

I've found I can have a pretty hardy diet and still loose weight as long as I keep my cardio up. So I'm not really looking to keep myself at a deficit when just increasing cardio is working for the time being.

I don't horse around at the gym. When I'm there it's headphones in. Heavy metal on and a solid blast of working out where I for the most part unless it's leg day or a heavy back set I don't do much of cooldowns between sets. Just throwing that out there so you all get the idea that I'm not here to mess around. For whatever it's worth.

Thanks for any input
Best

[songdog]

I have always said aas isnt a diet aid.Get your diet in check then run your cycle.

[Positiveweight]

Diet is in check
Oats and raw eggs in the morning

Then pretty much a mixture of white rice, black beans and either fish or chicken for later meals. Sometimes no beans and more fish or chicken depending on if it's post workout.

One cup rice 6-8 ounces of chicken or 8-10 ounces fish, half a cup of beans. I've been able to loose weight on this and build strength and muscle on this diet. Oh I'm missing protein shakes. Usually 2-3 shakes throughout the day between meals and at the least a post workout shake.

I workout after several meals and time it so I workout about 2-3 hours after pre workout meal. Planning it this way allows me to take my post workout shake then be ready for a post workout meal about 4-5 hours past my pre workout. If I feel full I'll wait the extra hour. Some days, typically after leg or a heavy back day I'm hungry after 4 hours from pre workout meal. Go figure.

Plenty of green tea
Fish oil and a multi vitamin

It isn't a complex diet but it's down to the raw basics and I'm restricted to a budget.

[Scorpion0922]

Anavar isn't a fat burner.

If your goal is to reduce fat it will be done with diet and cardio.

It's ok to be on a budget, but if that's the case then anabolics are out of the equation.

How is your disc issue?

[Cuz]

Anavar 12-14 weeks ?? I would not go past 6 personally especially with a high dose like 50mg .. bad idea.

I agree with others, dont look for aas to be a fat burner. They help preserve muscle tissue while in a caloric deficit so your body is able to burn fat…

Sounds like you are relying too much on the drugs.

3 protein shakes is way too much processed shit. I would use 2 max, morning and post work on a heavy training day.

Whats the macro split look like each meal? You told us what you eat not how much
For example

Meal 1 50 p 50c 10f
Meal 2 50 p 70c 20f
…

[Positiveweight]

The Disc issue is prevailing. Still no shots done but I learned from a visit that they are minor herniations, thank God.

So I've been staying away from my favorite workout. Deadlifting and taking the advice of low weight good mornings and some back extensions. Pain has severely minimized as most days I skip my gabapentin nerve blocker. Good chance they're healing on their own but I'd still rather some shots in the back and definitely a back brace meant for the gym before I deadlift again.

Gym is steady and strong. I've dropped another 15 pounds but still at a "tonnage" oddly proportioned body weight. My shoulders are coming in. I miss T bar rows as that was the exercise that finally forced lat wing growth. Horseshoes are coming in, biceps stick out but no minor to major head striations or peaks yet.

Legs are getting hell of strong but I can't seem to make them super grow. Then again I'm comparing myself to full blown quad growth...

Pecs are getting strong but still trying to shred down to the level of fat where the bounce is more noticable. Traps look like they'll have a nice peak over my shoulders some day.


Overall steady as she goes. People have noticed I've gotten wider and bigger so I'll be happy with that.

[Positiveweight]

Anavar 12-14 weeks ?? I would not go past 6 personally especially with a high dose like 50mg .. bad idea.

I agree with others, dont look for aas to be a fat burner. They help preserve muscle tissue while in a caloric deficit so your body is able to burn fat…

Sounds like you are relying too much on the drugs.

3 protein shakes is way too much processed shit. I would use 2 max, morning and post work on a heavy training day.

Whats the macro split look like each meal? You told us what you eat not how much
For example

Meal 1 50 p 50c 10f
Meal 2 50 p 70c 20f
…

Let me work on that as I haven't broken it down to that much of a science yet.

Just using one cup for the oats and white rice scoops. About 5 raw eggs with breakfast which includes enough milk to soak the oats and some cinnamon for taste. Wash the eggs down with either coffee or green tea then brush my teeth to avoid any infection.

Second meal. One cup white rice, half cup black beans, 6-8 ounces chicken. Post meal is one cup and a half white rice and 40 grams of protein worth of mackerel witch has a ton of fat and more good cholesterol.

Last meal is more white rice beans and chicken.

I'll slow down on the protein shakes as my roommates would definitely appreciate the cut down of protein farts. Secretly I love laying protein farts all over the place however.

[Mooseman33]

you keep saying u need to drop ton weight , what are ur current stats.

[Positiveweight]

you keep saying u need to drop ton weight , what are ur current stats.

5' 10.5"
233 lbs
Haven't been able to get a percentage of what is fat or not due to not having any form to measure it but I started at 265. Still chunky but a 30 pound drop.

At my best in the past I was at a 10% body fat weighing in at 182 but I was incredibly lean and didn't know how to diet for bulk.

As a former road bicyclist I was 172 lbs and just square with a fit average body.

My goal is to drop to 190 lbs and take off from there.

I know this is a crude answer but without the correct body fat percentage calculated it's a vague answer and less then adequate description you'd like to hear I know.

[Cuz]

Let me work on that as I haven't broken it down to that much of a science yet.

Just using one cup for the oats and white rice scoops. About 5 raw eggs with breakfast which includes enough milk to soak the oats and some cinnamon for taste. Wash the eggs down with either coffee or green tea then brush my teeth to avoid any infection.

Second meal. One cup white rice, half cup black beans, 6-8 ounces chicken. Post meal is one cup and a half white rice and 40 grams of protein worth of mackerel witch has a ton of fat and more good cholesterol.

Last meal is more white rice beans and chicken.

I'll slow down on the protein shakes as my roommates would definitely appreciate the cut down of protein farts. Secretly I love laying protein farts all over the place however.

Ok from Im seeing i would cut the milk and beans out for dieting. Replace the beans with a green vegetable like asparagus or broccoli. The main thing here is that you need to know what your tdee is which how much your body burns to maintain that 233 lb. More than likely you are 25-30% bf. You need to be in a 500 calorie deficit as a general rule. You have to adjust this on training and non training days. You will need a few more cals on train days in my opinion some would say no. If you dont have a lot of muscle it wont matter as much .
I think you will get the hang of this, just remember the drugs arent miracle workers they really shine when your training and diet are perfect otherwise the aas wont do much for you.
The more advance you get, the shorter and more intense your workouts can be. And also more advanced lifting requires more rest.
If you do what im telling you i promise you will see results if you are patient. Being in shape is a lifestyle not some short little gig the advertisement makes it out to be

[Mooseman33]

great post Cuz.

I will add, please don't run the anavar for 14 weeks at 50mg day. min drugs on a cut, just to maintain muscle. diet and cardio buddy and you will get there. Patience

[Cuz]

great post Cuz.

I will add, please don't run the anavar for 14 weeks at 50mg day. min drugs on a cut, just to maintain muscle. diet and cardio buddy and you will get there. Patience

Yep thanks buddy . I nailed him on the var the first post. That was a major red flag

[Honkey_Kong]

Let me work on that as I haven't broken it down to that much of a science yet.

Just using one cup for the oats and white rice scoops. About 5 raw eggs with breakfast which includes enough milk to soak the oats and some cinnamon for taste. Wash the eggs down with either coffee or green tea then brush my teeth to avoid any infection.

Second meal. One cup white rice, half cup black beans, 6-8 ounces chicken. Post meal is one cup and a half white rice and 40 grams of protein worth of mackerel witch has a ton of fat and more good cholesterol.

Last meal is more white rice beans and chicken.

I'll slow down on the protein shakes as my roommates would definitely appreciate the cut down of protein farts. Secretly I love laying protein farts all over the place however.

Have you considered using something like almond milk instead of regular milk? 2% milk has 122 calories per cup where as almond milk has 30. Also have you considered cutting down in your rice or oats and maybe adding something like Persian cucumbers (with salt and a splash of lemon juice)? Ideally, you want to fill your stomach up so you feel full, but with foods that are low calorie so you lose weight

[Scorpion0922]

Have you considered using something like almond milk instead of regular milk? 2% milk has 122 calories per cup where as almond milk has 30. Also have you considered cutting down in your rice or oats and maybe adding something like Persian cucumbers (with salt and a splash of lemon juice)? Ideally, you want to fill your stomach up so you feel full, but with foods that are low calorie so you lose weight

Persian cucumbers are the greatest food ever invented.

[teedoff]

Never heard of persian cucumbers. lol

But to add, green vegetables...peppers, lettuce, celery...all you can eat. For me it does two things. It helps keep me full and keeps me in the crapper!

Also, time of day matters, at least for me, when I eat my carbs. If I have rice or sweet potatoes any later then around 3 or so, I dont drop weight as easy and quickly.

[Honkey_Kong]

Persian cucumbers are the greatest food ever invented.

My girlfriend got me addicted to them. There's a lot of nutrition packed in them despite being low calorie. High fiber, loaded with vitamin B's, K, C and A in addition to anti-inflammatories. Helps with both kidney and liver health (which you need everything that helps those organs you can get if you're taking gear).

And they taste good and have a good texture too. Having a lot of options to put in your diet is important on both cuts and bulks. Eating the same shit everyday gets old quick.

[Honkey_Kong]

Never heard of persian cucumbers. lol

But to add, green vegetables...peppers, lettuce, celery...all you can eat. For me it does two things. It helps keep me full and keeps me in the crapper!

Also, time of day matters, at least for me, when I eat my carbs. If I have rice or sweet potatoes any later then around 3 or so, I dont drop weight as easy and quickly.

They're like a smaller cucumber. They kind of have a watermelon aroma though when you slice them up (although they don't taste like water melon at all).

[Positiveweight]

Sorry the delay here folks

Thanks for all the input.
I am eager to run some gear but unfortunately you guys just speak in general safety.

I am however debating on adding HGH at 2IU-3.33IU daily five on two off. Or six on one off.

Still though. The want to run some healthy doses of Test and adjust my Anavar intake is stuck in my head and I'm stubborn. On the flip side, at least I'm not jumping to like 600mg of test E with 200 of test Prop with Deca and anadrol , etc etc. Not that this warrants my want to use gear. But at least I'm in the safer range.

I'm not gonna lie I really do want the hardness that a healthy doses of Test will certainly add combined with a smarter approach to Anavar.

As far as the whole diet thing is. You guys might find me creeping in the diet section here to really try to understand the nuances and in depth study of how to boost my diet.

Honkey Kong thanks for the suggestion in alternatives to milks!!!

[powerliftmike]

Diet is in check
Oats and raw eggs in the morning

Then pretty much a mixture of white rice, black beans and either fish or chicken for later meals. Sometimes no beans and more fish or chicken depending on if it's post workout.

One cup rice 6-8 ounces of chicken or 8-10 ounces fish, half a cup of beans. I've been able to loose weight on this and build strength and muscle on this diet. Oh I'm missing protein shakes. Usually 2-3 shakes throughout the day between meals and at the least a post workout shake.

I workout after several meals and time it so I workout about 2-3 hours after pre workout meal. Planning it this way allows me to take my post workout shake then be ready for a post workout meal about 4-5 hours past my pre workout. If I feel full I'll wait the extra hour. Some days, typically after leg or a heavy back day I'm hungry after 4 hours from pre workout meal. Go figure.

Plenty of green tea
Fish oil and a multi vitamin

It isn't a complex diet but it's down to the raw basics and I'm restricted to a budget.

Why not cook the eggs to make the protein more bioavailable? Can you really handle that many beans, they are a high "FODMAP" food with poor absorption. What kind of protein shake? Many, esp whey based, are insulinogenic and a poor choice for dieting aside from low calorie nature. Fish oil is ok, but adding a small [calorie dense] amount of almonds, cashews, etc would help bring in good fats. Add some green vegetables in.

[Honkey_Kong]

Why not cook the eggs to make the protein more bioavailable? Can you really handle that many beans, they are a high "FODMAP" food with poor absorption. What kind of protein shake? Many, esp whey based, are insulinogenic and a poor choice for dieting aside from low calorie nature. Fish oil is ok, but adding a small [calorie dense] amount of almonds, cashews, etc would help bring in good fats. Add some green vegetables in.

A lot of people will talk about drinking raw eggs, but I doubt very many people can pull it off. Most people who try it make 1 attempt, it tastes disgusting and then they just cook the eggs like normal people.

[redz]

More cardio less drugs

[kelkel]

More cardio less drugs

Short and to the point.

[teedoff]

A lot of people will talk about drinking raw eggs, but I doubt very many people can pull it off. Most people who try it make 1 attempt, it tastes disgusting and then they just cook the eggs like normal people.

The husband of my gym's owner drank egg whites every day. Sometimes he would mix them with some kind of water flavoring I think, but most time straight out of the carton. Like mio or some sugar free stuff.

But the worst thing he did was drink blended chicken breast! And whatever he cooked it with or blended it with smelled terrible.

But nah. I like my eggs cooked, thanks.

[Booz]

The husband of my gym's owner drank egg whites every day. Sometimes he would mix them with some kind of water flavoring I think, but most time straight out of the carton. Like mio or some sugar free stuff.

But the worst thing he did was drink blended chicken breast! And whatever he cooked it with or blended it with smelled terrible.

But nah. I like my eggs cooked, thanks.

Big Eddie Abbew long retired now used to blend all of his meals,you name it he blended it!

[powerliftmike]

A lot of people will talk about drinking raw eggs, but I doubt very many people can pull it off. Most people who try it make 1 attempt, it tastes disgusting and then they just cook the eggs like normal people.

Well it may be a psychological thing for people because it is "hardcore" like Rocky. But, the science shows lower bioavailability. Also, make sure you are getting good quality eggs or pasteurized to mitigate extra salmonella risk, which may be overblown but can still be an issue: you won't make many gains while food poisoned.

To your point it doesnt taste good, but for me that is relative. I have had Italian chicken & lamb shakes and microwaved beef liver. Overcooked, non-seasoned liver makes me nauseous.

[kelkel]

I have had Italian chicken & lamb shakes and microwaved beef liver. Overcooked, non-seasoned liver makes me nauseous.

Man that's gross.

[Honkey_Kong]

Well it may be a psychological thing for people because it is "hardcore" like Rocky. But, the science shows lower bioavailability. Also, make sure you are getting good quality eggs or pasteurized to mitigate extra salmonella risk, which may be overblown but can still be an issue: you won't make many gains while food poisoned.

To your point it doesnt taste good, but for me that is relative. I have had Italian chicken & lamb shakes and microwaved beef liver. Overcooked, non-seasoned liver makes me nauseous.

The beef liver sounds like it could be good with onions and gravy, but there's no way I could ever down chicken and lamb shakes.

[teedoff]

Ugh I don't even like cooked liver. Ate liver pudding when I was young, but nah. Not anymore.

[AR's King Silabolin]

I have always said aas isnt a diet aid.Get your diet in check then run your cycle.

Disagree. Aas can be a diet aid indeed for many. Aas give motivation to train, get u up in the morning and hit the gym. Maybe motivation to skip breakfast also. Fucking motivation to live. To be a winner. If u wont live or be a winner, for sure u wont loose fat. To become a doer, not a dont'er. C'mon man, havent u seen Pain and Gain???

Without aas, some find it hard to train even. Thats a bad start for your fatloss fantasies.

Most aas dont burn fat on their own. Thats correct. But for many they will help in executing those other fatburning methods.
Like MY personall favourite, training in a fasted state.

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