Cycle for recovery and performance

[Daxfit]

Hello All,

Back here after some time away and keen to get some opinions.

History and stats;

34 Years old
93-95 Kilos (fluctuation)
Height 6ft2
Bf approx. 12-15%

So I used to be a competitive body builder from 2015 - 2016 (physique category) and did numerous overly long cycles with shit loads of compounds. I cant remember what the most recent cycle was however I can find info if relevant.

Since late 2016 I have not touched the gear and stopped training for the same reasons. I mostly quit lifting and picked up MMA and BJJ.

After the last cycle I came off, and all my natural T levels seemed to recover pretty well, I did have a couple of blood tests done around 2 years ago which all indicated normal or slightly above average testosterone levels.

In the past year I've had a child and despite training 4-5 times a week (combination of functional full body strength training and then MMA), my body simply doesn't recover like it used to and my energy levels and sex drive have taken quite a hit.

I'm considering running a cycle for purely performance and recovery reasons with the goal to heal up quicker after training and also the side goal of maintaining some lean mass/burning some fat.

Just to be clear.. making and keeping mad gains is notthe goal.

Worth mentioning I am hella prone to gyno and water retention. I actually still have some lasting gyno from my previous cycles. While its very minimal and not noticeable, its definitely there.

So this is what I have been considering to run (after getting my bloods done).

Week 1-12: Test E 500mg Per Week

PCT
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20

AI
Week 1 - 12 aromasin 10mg ED OR Adex 0.5mg EOD

I'm still re learning and refreshing my memory on AS and reading up so nothing is decided or set in stone. I welcome any advice or opinions! (feel free to tell me if you think I'm being an idiot).

Cheers!

[Cylon357]

Maybe add a DHT instead of running so much AI. Primo or masteron would likely fit the bill. That would take care of concerns regarding gyno, I believe. Maybe replace some of the tet and run something like 250mg test 250mg primo.

That said, with your past, you should know how you respond.

For recovery, take a peek at hgh

[OdinsOtherSon]

Might also consider adding hcg as well, even if it is test only. And as Cy mentioned, cut back on the AI…significantly. I typically only need 12.5mg/week of aromasin on test at 200mg/week hrt. Occasionally, I’ll take a full 25mg in a week if I notice sides creeping up on me.

[Cylon357]

Might also consider adding hcg as well, even if it is test only. And as Cy mentioned, cut back on the AI…significantly. I typically only need 12.5mg/week of aromasin on test at 200mg/week hrt. Occasionally, I’ll take a full 25mg in a week if I notice sides creeping up on me.

Definitely should have hcg in the mix if you are cycling and PCTing. Well, if you want to maximize your chances of success...

[Honkey_Kong]

Maybe add a DHT instead of running so much AI. Primo or masteron would likely fit the bill. That would take care of concerns regarding gyno, I believe. Maybe replace some of the tet and run something like 250mg test 250mg primo.

That said, with your past, you should know how you respond.

For recovery, take a peek at hgh

It's been so long since he ran gear, he's going to respond pretty well to test. And I know he said he's prone to gyno, but he ran gear a long time ago. I think keeping the AI on hand and maybe doing .25mg of adex every other day if gyno starts to flare up again would be the way to go.

HGH might be a good option for recovery purposes, but I think to most people, it's cost prohbitive.

[Cuz]

If you have to run your adex that high, then I wouldnt even bother running test only. To me it would be counter productive, id do more of what Cy suggested with test/ mast or test/ primo. I recently ran something similar to the test 250/ primo 250 and got some clean results side effect free although i did crash my e2 one week of it with .75 mg a week of adex. Tolerance went much better had i not taken any AI or just used .25 albeit i looked great in the gym working out just really felt achy, muscle cramps spasms and alot of joint pain etc etc.
i dont use hcg but if i were in your shoes id strongly recommend using it on cycle trying to recover and going back to a natural level
What are your current test levels naturally?

[Cylon357]

It's been so long since he ran gear, he's going to respond pretty well to test. And I know he said he's prone to gyno, but he ran gear a long time ago. I think keeping the AI on hand and maybe doing .25mg of adex every other day if gyno starts to flare up again would be the way to go.

HGH might be a good option for recovery purposes, but I think to most people, it's cost prohbitive.

I would definitely keep an AI on hand, but would still prefer a test / primo or test / masteron over the pre-emptive use of an AI. He could run the DHT higher than the test in that case, say even as high as 2 to 1 (ie 500mg masteron to 250mg test). I would still start at 1 to 1 though, only going up to 2 to 1 if problems present.

All that said, high DHT and low estrogen is D E A T H for gyno, so if it DOES somehow present, then the addition of an AI, with the presence of the DHT compound, would certainly control and probably very nearly destroy it. You might feel like garbage, but hey, boobie free, am i right?

We haven't talked nolvadex here, though that is a first line preventive re: gyno. It isn't a side effect free drug, though, and I would still stay the DHT is a better path to start with. Maybe add 5 to 10mg nolvadex if problems occcur in lieu of the AI, IDK, just spit balling.

I keep hearing the argument about the cost of hgh, but good generics can be found for 2 bucks per iu. At 2iu per day, 5 days a week, that's 10 weeks for roughly 200 bucks. Some will say "2iu per day is no good", to which I say bollocks, it does SOMETHING, just not as much as 4iu or more per day, but 2iu is in line with the goal of this cycle.

Now, if we are talking true US Pharma grade HGH, where you get closer to 15 to 20 dollars or more per iu, then yeah, that is out of the price range for most of us (definitely for me at least).

[Daxfit]

There's some great advice here.

I will defo be adding hcg in to the mix to keep my balls going on cycle.

I honestly hadn't considered Mast however after refreshing my memory on its properties it seems like a good stack to keep bloat off and keep the oestrogen away.

Something I hadn't initially considered which has been brought up is that running adex that high would likely have a shitty affect on my joints, completely the opposite affect of what i want to have on my athleticism and performance when fighting.

will do a bit more reading, re jig the cycle and, post back for thoughts! cheers all

[Daxfit]

Really hadn't considered HGH. It may sound silly but im so frickin scared of getting an enlarged heart and passing out during training

[Cylon357]

Really hadn't considered HGH. It may sound silly but im so frickin scared of getting an enlarged heart and passing out during training

The concerns of giant gut, enlarged organs, etc are overblown when taken at "health optimized" levels, like 2, maybe 4iu per day. Those things become concerns when running 10+iu per day for years at a time. Still, better to be safe than sorry.

Regarding your other comment concerning adex messing with your joints, that's an estrogen thing, not purely an adex thing. It is totally possible to tank your estrogen without an AI in the mix, like with one of these DHTs. It is less likely in the latter case, but can still happen. Thus the recommend to start at 1 to 1 and see how it goes.