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    Hey bros, lately ive been experiencing some issues which i believe are related to my heavy AAS use as well as careless lifestyle choices. The backstory being that im currently 5 weeks into a cycle of 700 mgs/week test enanthate , 400 mgs/week primobolan & 100 mgs/day of dbol . Im also running 30 mgs/day of tamoxifen , and .25 mgs anastrozole eod. Last saturday i woke up feeling fine, took 25 mgs of dbol with no problem. later that day i took another 25 mgs of dbol and got extremely dizzy and nauseous. this lasted several hours, but passed. i took the remaining 50 mgs of dbol that day and lifted. sunday i continued with the dbol and there were no problems. monday morning i took my second dose of 25 mgs of dbol and immediately became incredibly dizzy and nauseous. after this happened i decided to discontinue the dbol, but continue with the test and primo. Wednesday i was fine during the day, and when i got home from work i took a heavy dose of EC and relaxed. that evening i became incredibly dizzy to such an extent i couldnt see straight, couldnt walk in a straight line and even vomitted. next morning i woke up feeling fine, took 30 mgs of tomoxifen and immediately became dizzy again. this lasted pretty much all day. today, same thing happened.

    because of these events, ive decided to discontinue my current cycle as well as make some changes in my lifestyle. ive been smoking cigarettes on and off for many years, although over the last 10 years ive smoked way more than i should. im going to quit for good, and also cut back on my EC use. i have been blatantly abusing EC since 2011. also, ive been blasting gear since mid 2021, with every cycle including test, nandrolone and cabergoline/tamoxifen as well as either anadrol or dianabol . i started getting random dizziness and nausea starting about a year and a half ago, but it would come and go. this most recent chain of events has been almost constant for a week, although it comes on immediately in the morning and goes away by the evening.

    i know what everyone is going to say, i should get to my doctor and get checked out. which i understand, but my question is, how common is nausea from tomoxifen? ive been taking 20 mgs/day for approximately 3 years straight. this cycle i upped it to 30 mgs/day because of the heavy dbol dose. also, to the bros on here who have suffered heart attacks, what was the experience like? did you experience issues, but ignore them until they became too severe to ignore, or did you call the paramedics immediately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTP$ View Post
    Hey bros, lately ive been experiencing some issues which i believe are related to my heavy AAS use as well as careless lifestyle choices. The backstory being that im currently 5 weeks into a cycle of 700 mgs/week test enanthate , 400 mgs/week primobolan & 100 mgs/day of dbol . Im also running 30 mgs/day of tamoxifen , and .25 mgs anastrozole eod. Last saturday i woke up feeling fine, took 25 mgs of dbol with no problem. later that day i took another 25 mgs of dbol and got extremely dizzy and nauseous. this lasted several hours, but passed. i took the remaining 50 mgs of dbol that day and lifted. sunday i continued with the dbol and there were no problems. monday morning i took my second dose of 25 mgs of dbol and immediately became incredibly dizzy and nauseous. after this happened i decided to discontinue the dbol, but continue with the test and primo. Wednesday i was fine during the day, and when i got home from work i took a heavy dose of EC and relaxed. that evening i became incredibly dizzy to such an extent i couldnt see straight, couldnt walk in a straight line and even vomitted. next morning i woke up feeling fine, took 30 mgs of tomoxifen and immediately became dizzy again. this lasted pretty much all day. today, same thing happened.

    because of these events, ive decided to discontinue my current cycle as well as make some changes in my lifestyle. ive been smoking cigarettes on and off for many years, although over the last 10 years ive smoked way more than i should. im going to quit for good, and also cut back on my EC use. i have been blatantly abusing EC since 2011. also, ive been blasting gear since mid 2021, with every cycle including test, nandrolone and cabergoline/tamoxifen as well as either anadrol or dianabol . i started getting random dizziness and nausea starting about a year and a half ago, but it would come and go. this most recent chain of events has been almost constant for a week, although it comes on immediately in the morning and goes away by the evening.

    i know what everyone is going to say, i should get to my doctor and get checked out. which i understand, but my question is, how common is nausea from tomoxifen? ive been taking 20 mgs/day for approximately 3 years straight. this cycle i upped it to 30 mgs/day because of the heavy dbol dose. also, to the bros on here who have suffered heart attacks, what was the experience like? did you experience issues, but ignore them until they became too severe to ignore, or did you call the paramedics immediately?
    Man, 20mg a day of tamoxifen for 3 years? Dude, what the hell? It is not a side effect free drug, so STOP.

    Dial all your stuff back to trt if you are on it, otherwise PCT and be natty for a bit.

    How is your blood pressure? Hematocrit? Hemoglobin? RBC?

    In other words, get a blood pressure machine and some blood work asap. Blood pressure machines are easily less than 100 bucks, same with the blood work you need.

    If symptoms don't improve after dropping dose, go ahead and get your ass to the doctor.

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    Sorry JTP(money),
    but if this isn't a Kimbo "sock account", then I have to say:

    I run some fucking lightweight cycles myself; that's some milligrams; especially the Dbol .

    I guess I have always erred on the lighter side...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    Man, 20mg a day of tamoxifen for 3 years? Dude, what the hell? It is not a side effect free drug, so STOP.

    Dial all your stuff back to trt if you are on it, otherwise PCT and be natty for a bit.

    How is your blood pressure? Hematocrit? Hemoglobin? RBC?

    In other words, get a blood pressure machine and some blood work asap. Blood pressure machines are easily less than 100 bucks, same with the blood work you need.

    If symptoms don't improve after dropping dose, go ahead and get your ass to the doctor.
    believe me man im done with tomoxifen, if for no other reason then it causes cataracts. thats one side effect i didnt even know about until recently. if i look at a well lit white wall i can see floaters distributed over my entire field of vision. i cut this cycle short, dropped the tomoxifen and replaced it with 12.5 mgs of aromasin . i hope i dont have any built up methylestrodiol from all the dbol , i heard that can stay active in the blood longer than estrodiol.

    i am on TRT and get blood work done every 4 months, i dont recall my exact numbers off hand but i do know everything is perfectly healthy when im on TRT only

    Quote Originally Posted by XnavyHMCS View Post
    Sorry JTP(money),
    but if this isn't a Kimbo "sock account", then I have to say:

    I run some fucking lightweight cycles myself; that's some milligrams; especially the Dbol.

    I guess I have always erred on the lighter side...
    bro, i am not kimbo, this should be obvious from the content of my posts.

    regarding the dosage, i agree, my cycles were too heavy. i never really had any severe problems before so it felt out of sight, out of mind. im going to ramp things down and try not to exceed 750 mgs/week of total AAS. i was planning on starting another cycle in mid february, but what il do instead is run the remainder of primo that i had for this cycle which was cut short. that would be 200 mgs/week for 10 weeks along side 160 mgs/week of test cyp.

    i have to say though, this is some bullshit. i had big plans to make significant gains off this current cycle, then follow up with a heavy cutting cycle of test prop and masteron prop.

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    100 mgs a day of dbol …smh

    And so many noobs on this site bash me for preaching low dose cycles which is fine by me I dont care. Nobody needs that much dbol especially non pros not making a living or giving a fuck how long they live in the process.

    Agree with Cys advice. Take a break. Nolva for 3 years? Not good man. Id such trt and a detox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    100 mgs a day of dbol …smh

    And so many noobs on this site bash me for preaching low dose cycles which is fine by me I dont care. Nobody needs that much dbol especially non pros not making a living or giving a fuck how long they live in the process.

    Agree with Cys advice. Take a break. Nolva for 3 years? Not good man. Id such trt and a detox


    i agree 100%. the irony is that even at such a high dose of dbol i didnt make anywhere near the type of gains that i expected. of course i wasnt stuffing my face with food but still, 40 mgs/day would have probably given me the same results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTP$ View Post
    i agree 100%. the irony is that even at such a high dose of dbol i didnt make anywhere near the type of gains that i expected. of course i wasnt stuffing my face with food but still, 40 mgs/day would have probably given me the same results.
    What made you decide on 100mg dbol and 400 primo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    What made you decide on 100mg dbol and 400 primo?
    when i was younger i ran dbol in very high doses and got extremely fast, extremely noticeable results. i figured 100 mgs/day of anadrol isnt unheard of, so why not try 100 mgs/day of dbol again and see what comes of it.

    the primo i would have preferred to run at a higher dose, and lowered the dbol, however primo is expensive and i can only get it in concentrations of 100 mg/ml. buying huge numbers of vials makes me nervous because it could attract unwanted attention, plus its alot of volume to have to inject with a compound which is notorious for having more PIP than other compounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTP$ View Post
    when i was younger i ran dbol in very high doses and got extremely fast, extremely noticeable results. i figured 100 mgs/day of anadrol isnt unheard of, so why not try 100 mgs/day of dbol again and see what comes of it.

    the primo i would have preferred to run at a higher dose, and lowered the dbol, however primo is expensive and i can only get it in concentrations of 100 mg/ml. buying huge numbers of vials makes me nervous because it could attract unwanted attention, plus its alot of volume to have to inject with a compound which is notorious for having more PIP than other compounds.
    Right it is expensive it can be found at 200mgs but yea I get it. Just see it as a waste honestly if you’re running 700 test and that much dbol the bloat has to be pretty bad. Just seems like you would be running an overpriced AI to me, but that’s just my opinion.
    All in all, good call on realizing what’s happening. Believe me at one point was hungry and still am in a sense, but, at our level. Which is hobbyist, more isnt always better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    Right it is expensive it can be found at 200mgs but yea I get it. Just see it as a waste honestly if you’re running 700 test and that much dbol the bloat has to be pretty bad. Just seems like you would be running an overpriced AI to me, but that’s just my opinion.
    All in all, good call on realizing what’s happening. Believe me at one point was hungry and still am in a sense, but, at our level. Which is hobbyist, more isnt always better
    honestly man i could have cut this cycle dose in half, ran for the intended 10 weeks and ended up making more gains than i managed to get out the 5 that i actually stayed on. regarding primo though, i see it as a safer alternative to deca , although admittedly it is less effective mg to mg, but allegedly primo is incredibly effective at 1000 mgs/week. what i really would have liked to run is NPP, but now im more apprehensive than ever of cabergoline. Pramipexole and bromocriptine may be better alternatives for suppressing progesterone, ill have to do some research on those two drugs though, i really dont know anything about them other than their use along side 19 nors. i could experiment with P5P but i feel like thats playing with fire.

    but yea, i am very hungry for this. im hoping the set backs i encountered recently are only temporary and that i can get back on track making gains in a safer way soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTP$ View Post
    honestly man i could have cut this cycle dose in half, ran for the intended 10 weeks and ended up making more gains than i managed to get out the 5 that i actually stayed on. regarding primo though, i see it as a safer alternative to deca , although admittedly it is less effective mg to mg, but allegedly primo is incredibly effective at 1000 mgs/week. what i really would have liked to run is NPP, but now im more apprehensive than ever of cabergoline. Pramipexole and bromocriptine may be better alternatives for suppressing progesterone, ill have to do some research on those two drugs though, i really dont know anything about them other than their use along side 19 nors. i could experiment with P5P but i feel like thats playing with fire.

    but yea, i am very hungry for this. im hoping the set backs i encountered recently are only temporary and that i can get back on track making gains in a safer way soon.
    You are talking about primo at 1g per week but think P5P ie a fancy vitamin B6 is "playing with fire"?

    Also, help me understand how primo is an alternative to deca?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    You are talking about primo at 1g per week but think P5P ie a fancy vitamin B6 is "playing with fire"?

    Also, help me understand how primo is an alternative to deca?
    what i was referring to by P5P as playing with fire is relying on it to block progesterone and prolactin from a 19-nor AAS. i dont want to develop gyno.

    and what i meant by primo as being an alternative to deca is that it is something to stack alongside test to amplify results. youl get more effective results by stacking compounds from each the test base, DHT base and 19-nor base than you would by running the same total dose of only one branch of AAS

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTP$ View Post

    i know what everyone is going to say, i should get to my doctor and get checked out. which i understand, but my question is, how common is nausea from tomoxifen? ive been taking 20 mgs/day for approximately 3 years straight. this cycle i upped it to 30 mgs/day because of the heavy dbol dose. also, to the bros on here who have suffered heart attacks, what was the experience like? did you experience issues, but ignore them until they became too severe to ignore, or did you call the paramedics immediately?
    Either this is total bullshit or you're stupid to be taking steroids .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    Either this is total bullshit or you're stupid to be taking steroids.
    geez, thanks man...

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    I can only echo what's been stated above. Drop back to a legitimate TRT level ( if your track record is what you posted you'll be there in the future) and get your ass to the Dr. It's just that simple.
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