Test/anavar/turinabol

[Rytis12345]

Hi,

Stats 29 years old/ 181cm height / 94kg weight / body fat 18-20%

What are the opinions on such a cycle.

500MG Test E per week
20-40mg anavar split twice per day
25-50mg turinabol split twice per day

AI on hand, pct clomid/nolvadex .

Goal of this cycle is to increase athletic performance and drop some fat. Cardio would be every day fasted in the morning 1 hour

Thanks

[Cylon357]

Hi,

Stats 29 years old/ 181cm height / 94kg weight / body fat 18-20%

What are the opinions on such a cycle.

500MG Test E per week
20-40mg anavar split twice per day
25-50mg turinabol split twice per day

AI on hand, pct clomid/nolvadex .

Goal of this cycle is to increase athletic performance and drop some fat. Cardio would be every day fasted in the morning 1 hour

Thanks

Why two orals?

Every compound should have a purpose.

Is this your first cycle?

[Rytis12345]

Why two orals ?

Simple, Turinabol carries very few if any side effects and was engineered to give athletic advantage, while on this cycle i plan on increasing my activity levels hence turinabol, plus it helps with SBHG to lower it from an increase from test e. Plus tur9inabol is not very hepatoxic not that i am worried about my liver.

Anavar to firm up to get that definition and that hardness and remove water and give extra power to push the weights, aswell as drop some fat.

No i have done 1 cycle before of 500mg test.

[Cylon357]

Why two orals ?

Simple, Turinabol carries very few if any side effects and was engineered to give athletic advantage, while on this cycle i plan on increasing my activity levels hence turinabol, plus it helps with SBHG to lower it from an increase from test e. Plus tur9inabol is not very hepatoxic not that i am worried about my liver.

Anavar to firm up to get that definition and that hardness and remove water and give extra power to push the weights, aswell as drop some fat.

No i have done 1 cycle before of 500mg test.

Ok, so you HAVE thought about it. That's good.

Still, I have two observations...

First, that's almost a 100mg of orals per day. Being unconcerned about your liver does not make it bullet proof.

Second, it sounds kind of like you are thinking of var as a magic pill. It is not. You can neither out train nor out medicate a bad diet.

I would pick one and add that at the doses you have mentioned. You could probably do very well with just another 500mg test cycle and really tightening up your diet. At 18 to 20% body fat, you have some room to work on that. If you are dead set on doing it, I would probably do the var if you have a trustworthy source, but thats just me, and I really would take a hard look at your diet first.

Good luck!

[Rytis12345]

So,

Most likely i would stick with 20mg anavar 1 in the morning and one an hour just before training and tbol would be at 50mg OR i can do the opposite var at say 40mg and tbol at 25mg so it would be around 65-70mg of oral and not all at the same time of day.

I ll have milk thistle and other supporting vitamins/herbs.

I totally agree nothing is magic, i can do an hour of elliptical stares and burn 650 kcals per hour but give me a box of ice cream and i will undo the whole cardio in a span of ......10mins.

Have you ever run tbol/anavar how long could i realistically run it, I plan to do test for at least absolute minimum 12 weeks. Would 8 weeks of orals 2 weeks off and then 2 more weeks be fine.

What should i expect form this cycle is alot of athletic increase, running lifting, jogging and not to get tired, and var to give me 10-15% power to lift havier weights for more reps and lastly test to pack some lean muscle.

My protein mostly consists egg whites, chicken breast and protein powder.

I

[Cylon357]

So,

Most likely i would stick with 20mg anavar 1 in the morning and one an hour just before training and tbol would be at 50mg OR i can do the opposite var at say 40mg and tbol at 25mg so it would be around 65-70mg of oral and not all at the same time of day.

I ll have milk thistle and other supporting vitamins/herbs.

I totally agree nothing is magic, i can do an hour of elliptical stares and burn 650 kcals per hour but give me a box of ice cream and i will undo the whole cardio in a span of ......10mins.

Have you ever run tbol/anavar how long could i realistically run it, I plan to do test for at least absolute minimum 12 weeks. Would 8 weeks of orals 2 weeks off and then 2 more weeks be fine.

What should i expect form this cycle is alot of athletic increase, running lifting, jogging and not to get tired, and var to give me 10-15% power to lift havier weights for more reps and lastly test to pack some lean muscle.

My protein mostly consists egg whites, chicken breast and protein powder.

I

I have tried both Tbol and var. I want to like them, but tbol gives me significant acid reflux, and var ramps up my insomnia.

Still, I would be opposed to 2 orals simultaneously. If something goes wrong, how do you know which one is at fault? Not to mention the liver stress induced.

Test and var, test and tbol, or just plain test would be my recommendations. I like to keep the run of orals short, like 6 weeks on the front end or back end of a cycle, though I admit to being somewhat risk adverse. Speaking of risk:

Risk = time on x volume

In other words, running a short time with high volume can be more risky than running long term with low volume. Just something to keep in mind.

It sounds like you want someone to bless your cycle idea. Yeah, I'm not going to do that. With that said though, do what you want. Be advised of the issues I mentioned, and at some point, perhaps some others will chime in. This place tends to be less like reddit and more old school iron brothers and sisters. That means that if it seems like someone is just gonna do what they are gonna do, most folks here won't make time for them. Just something else to keep in mind...

[Rytis12345]

I dont need no one to bless my cycle what i do need is some good advice if this cycle is what i need to run and if its good/bad idea for what exact reasons, what should i expect and in terms of muscle gian fat loss what are the possibilities.

Also this is a good question if 50mg of turinabol has the same effect on liver as 25mg var and 25 mg tbol ?

[almostgone]

So,

Most likely i would stick with 20mg anavar 1 in the morning and one an hour just before training and tbol would be at 50mg OR i can do the opposite var at say 40mg and tbol at 25mg so it would be around 65-70mg of oral and not all at the same time of day.

I ll have milk thistle and other supporting vitamins/herbs.

I totally agree nothing is magic, i can do an hour of elliptical stares and burn 650 kcals per hour but give me a box of ice cream and i will undo the whole cardio in a span of ......10mins.

Have you ever run tbol/anavar how long could i realistically run it, I plan to do test for at least absolute minimum 12 weeks. Would 8 weeks of orals 2 weeks off and then 2 more weeks be fine.

What should i expect form this cycle is alot of athletic increase, running lifting, jogging and not to get tired, and var to give me 10-15% power to lift havier weights for more reps and lastly test to pack some lean muscle.

My protein mostly consists egg whites, chicken breast and protein powder.

I

^^^ In bold above. I think you may be overestimating what is achievable.

Also, look into NAC and TUDCA.

[Cuz]

^^^ In bold above. I think you may be overestimating what is achievable.

Also, look into NAC and TUDCA.

I wish it was that easy

[Honkey_Kong]

So,

Most likely i would stick with 20mg anavar 1 in the morning and one an hour just before training and tbol would be at 50mg OR i can do the opposite var at say 40mg and tbol at 25mg so it would be around 65-70mg of oral and not all at the same time of day.

I ll have milk thistle and other supporting vitamins/herbs.

I totally agree nothing is magic, i can do an hour of elliptical stares and burn 650 kcals per hour but give me a box of ice cream and i will undo the whole cardio in a span of ......10mins.

Have you ever run tbol/anavar how long could i realistically run it, I plan to do test for at least absolute minimum 12 weeks. Would 8 weeks of orals 2 weeks off and then 2 more weeks be fine.

What should i expect form this cycle is alot of athletic increase, running lifting, jogging and not to get tired, and var to give me 10-15% power to lift havier weights for more reps and lastly test to pack some lean muscle.

My protein mostly consists egg whites, chicken breast and protein powder.

I

I don't believe for a second your protein intake is mainly egg whites, chicken breast and protein powder. And by the way, if protein powder is your main source for protein, you're doing it wrong. Protein powder is a SUPPLEMENT. Meaning it supplements an already good diet. And if you really don't have your diet dialed in, it's really just going to give you bad gas and gnarly shits. An observation I've made over the many years of doing this is when somebody says their BF% is between 15-20%, they really are in the 20-30% range (and sometimes over 30%). There are a few exceptions to that, but mainly most people have no idea how to estimate their bodyfat and second, what you see in the mirror ISN'T what everybody else sees.

Now if you think you're going to pop a few anavar and think you're not going to be tired from running and lifting, you're full of shit. And var isn't going to just give you some instant 10-15% more power in your lifts. It just doesn't work like that. Also this idea of taking var right before you workout is stupid. You're acting like it's an a-bomb.

Personally, I think you should spend more time working on your diet than trying to figure out what steroids to take. And this idea that you're going to pack on muscle while cutting the fat is a pipedream for most people.

[Rytis12345]

Not that you added anything useful to this thread but i will address your shall we say limited opinion............
If i take 2 scops of protein powder with water after my work out thats 40g of protein , another 2 scoops before bed or generally in the evening thats another 40g of protein totaling 80G of protein , that is a big part of my intake, say what you want but it does not give me any gas or make me feel unconfutable, i eat around 6-10 eggs per day , most of the time i take the yolks out or leave 1-3.

The whole point of this thread is to ask people that have run both compounds ANAVAR /TBOL together and if not separately , what should i expect give me tips or give advice on what use instead altho as far as i know both of these compounds are very safe.

If var is not going to give me even 10-15% power increase in terms of pushing weight , why does it say on Steroid .com videos that anavar helps feel stronger ? and it is a DHT derivative hence there should be power increase or are you going that route steroids are bs and body builders do it naturally because if so what are you doing on this forum.

[Rytis12345]

Thank you for the advice brother.

i bough this product:

https://aobnutrition.ie/products/tud...hoCiJgQAvD_BwE

Can you share what you have in terms of experience with Tbol/anavar ? what should i expect if i combine them, and in terms of dosing what should be used.

[Cylon357]

I dont need no one to bless my cycle what i do need is some good advice if this cycle is what i need to run and if its good/bad idea for what exact reasons, what should i expect and in terms of muscle gian fat loss what are the possibilities.

Also this is a good question if 50mg of turinabol has the same effect on liver as 25mg var and 25 mg tbol ?

Nobody can answer that question for you. Individual response is definitely a thing.

You need "exact reasons" but again, that is subject to individual response, and assumes that someone did precisely the blood work necessary to show what happened in this specific situation that most knowledgeable users would not put themselves in.

In other words, I don't think you are going to get the answer you want.

I believe you have received some good answers so far, and likely all the productive ones you are going to get. What you do next is up to you.

Enjoy your cycle!

[Cuz]

Yeah each individual will respond a little differently. There is no generic “10-15% “ increase in mass and strength. Im good with anavar , but like all other orals it will tax you just takes a little while longer to see negative sides. I get ab and stomach pain from var, a little restlest nights, and if you lift heavy you will be more susceptible to injury. It does make you stronger usually. I will get a few more reps out of it but i dont like running it for strength because it isnt a wet compound.
Cannot speak for tbol.
25mg of var is plenty for results, ive never taken over 50mg.

[Honkey_Kong]

Not that you added anything useful to this thread but i will address your shall we say limited opinion............
If i take 2 scops of protein powder with water after my work out thats 40g of protein , another 2 scoops before bed or generally in the evening thats another 40g of protein totaling 80G of protein , that is a big part of my intake, say what you want but it does not give me any gas or make me feel unconfutable, i eat around 6-10 eggs per day , most of the time i take the yolks out or leave 1-3.

The whole point of this thread is to ask people that have run both compounds ANAVAR /TBOL together and if not separately , what should i expect give me tips or give advice on what use instead altho as far as i know both of these compounds are very safe.

If var is not going to give me even 10-15% power increase in terms of pushing weight , why does it say on Steroid.com videos that anavar helps feel stronger ? and it is a DHT derivative hence there should be power increase or are you going that route steroids are bs and body builders do it naturally because if so what are you doing on this forum.

I'll start from the bottom of your response and work my way up here. Sure Var helps with strength, it's not going to give you a 10-15% bonus in power though and if you're trying to "cut fat," you'll be in a caloric deficit which means you'll have even less strength gains. You might add a little weight to your lifts by the time you come off those orals, but it won't be much if any. And when you're cutting you're more or less trying to not lose strength and muscle while you lose bodyfat.

The mentality that a particular steroid is "very safe" or not is fucking retarded. All steroids have side effects. The kind of side effects and the degree in which you will experience them depends on the compound, dosage and of course how well you can handle them. And to be honest, you really have no way of knowing if those pills are even var and tbol to begin with. I will say this much, in general with orals, you want to spread your dosages out so that you have as consistent levels of the compound in your body throughout the day. And you may or may not have stomach issues from orals.

And on to your protein shake addiction. That sounds ridiculous that protein shakes are one of your main sources of protein. It should be coming from actual food. People like to say "chicken breast" as a source of protein, because it's generally pretty lean and cheap, but there are plenty of great sources for lean protein. Lean cuts of pork and beef, fish, veal, shellfish etc all provide you with better sources of protein WITHOUT all the sugar and gunk that some shakes have. And like I said, a shake is great as a SUPPLEMENT to an already good diet. It's pure shit if that's what your diet is based on.

[Rytis12345]

Bro i was looking the forums today quit a bit and i noticed a patern with you..... you go on threads and usually put down peoples opinions or bash them with no actual help or good info.

Naturally i have a question do you even use steroids and work out or are you just some fat f*** sitting in his chair all day texting bs

Lets address your second paragraph. The mentality that a particular steroid is "very safe" or not is fucking retarded.
If you are saying that 500 mg of test plus anavar is going to carry even close to side effects of lets say Tren deca test at higher dosages is as you yourself said ......Fucking retarded. Tbol for example is exactly that considered one of the safest compounds, i suggest you go and do some reading on it.

[Rytis12345]

Thanks for some good advice.

assuming you ran real anavar 25mg what did you see in terms of body changes and did you get cramps as it seems like one of the more common effects from it.

From what you said....it did make you stronger and gave you a few more reps so that is what i am after. If i can go from 95kg 1-2 reps to say 105kg for 2-3 reps that be insane for me because i have been a t a platau for many years.

Lets say i stick with : TEST 500 MG / anavar 30mg, what other compound would you recommend instead of Tbol, i was thinking maybe go with primobolan or masteron however masteron tends to really make people bald as far as i know.

[Rytis12345]

I assume you have ran both tbol and anavar fro myour earlier post.

If you had to choose between 500mg test 50mg tbol OR 500mg test 30mg anavar which one are you choosing ?

When you ran tbol what did you feel on it , because from reading about it and all the east german dopping scheme it seems to be a very good steroid to increase energy/athletics and for me this is important as i do alot of cardio.

Thanks.

[Cylon357]

OP, a little constructive advice: user "Reply with Quote", not just Reply. We have no idea who you are responding to in your last 3 responses.

[Booz]

IMO from my own exp I have ran both together and both separately and for me the results were much the same….
Each compound we use have certain attributes but we mostly respond to each in our own way…
Myself I would up the dose of either and stay with the one compound along with the test base…
Both are fairly light in the way of sides but again you may take either and have some strong adverse effects….
Seeing as you have not used either before I do advise one or the other and see how you get on..

[Honkey_Kong]

Bro i was looking the forums today quit a bit and i noticed a patern with you..... you go on threads and usually put down peoples opinions or bash them with no actual help or good info.

Naturally i have a question do you even use steroids and work out or are you just some fat f*** sitting in his chair all day texting bs

Lets address your second paragraph. The mentality that a particular steroid is "very safe" or not is fucking retarded.
If you are saying that 500 mg of test plus anavar is going to carry even close to side effects of lets say Tren deca test at higher dosages is as you yourself said ......Fucking retarded. Tbol for example is exactly that considered one of the safest compounds, i suggest you go and do some reading on it.

Yeah. I went through your previous posts and noticed a pattern with you too. In the 6 years you've been on this site, you still just ask basic questions anyone could see the answers to by looking at one of the thousands of other threads on the same subject. And from the looks of your alleged stats, it looks like you haven't progressed at all in 6 years. 100% natty lifters would've made more gains than you have in that time frame and you have allegedly done gear. Does that not tell you that you're doing something wrong?

Then here I am being critical of your diet and you go full snowflake. Call the "Whaaamulance!" Seriously, you're either the dumbest motherfvuker in all of Ireland, or another one of Kimbo's sock accounts looking to do some trolling. I'm going with the later (just to give you some benefit of doubt).

[Rytis12345]

OP, a little constructive advice: user "Reply with Quote", not just Reply. We have no idea who you are responding to in your last 3 responses.

Thanks, yah the options comment was directed at you

[Rytis12345]

IMO from my own exp I have ran both together and both separately and for me the results were much the same….
Each compound we use have certain attributes but we mostly respond to each in our own way…
Myself I would up the dose of either and stay with the one compound along with the test base…
Both are fairly light in the way of sides but again you may take either and have some strong adverse effects….
Seeing as you have not used either before I do advise one or the other and see how you get on..

Now thats some good insight.

so 50mg tbol/40mg anavar . like you said both compunds carry little side effects.

Can you tell me what you felt on it and what results you got?

[teedoff]

Now thats some good insight.

so 50mg tbol/40mg anavar . like you said both compunds carry little side effects.

Can you tell me what you felt on it and what results you got?

You keep skipping the parts where ppl advise doing one OR the other oral. Not both.

[Cylon357]

Thanks, yah the options comment was directed at you

I believe I have spoken on this already.

I would not do either of those two orals because they don't sit well with me.

I do very much like masteron , though, and I think it got mentioned above. You would likely have good luck at a 2 to 1 test to mast ratio.

I also personally like cardarine at a low dose (5mg per day) though do your research on it. I call it reps in a bottle... that means exactly what it sounds like.

[JTP$]

I dont need no one to bless my cycle what i do need is some good advice if this cycle is what i need to run and if its good/bad idea for what exact reasons, what should i expect and in terms of muscle gian fat loss what are the possibilities.

Also this is a good question if 50mg of turinabol has the same effect on liver as 25mg var and 25 mg tbol ?

adding my 2 cents, ive ran both TBOL and anavar . TBOL is weaker mg to mg, especially in a lower calorie diet. to get noticeable results from TBOL you need to eat more calories when on. anavar is a great compound, but it is a stimulant and i found that taking it later in the day significantly affected my ability to sleep. anavar has its place, but i dont see much need to bother with TBOL. I much prefer DBOL and anadrol .

that being said, with your goal of gaining muscle and losing fat id say stick with anavar and test, TBOL wont do much for you with a reduced calorie diet, and theres no reason to damage your liver if the compound isnt even going to give you noticeable gains.

there is also the matter of diet, training and rest. how much protein are you eating every day, and how is it distributed throughout the day? are you also tracking your carb and fat intake? whats your lifting routine look like?