first cycle

**mmafighter18** · 08-20-2003, 11:22 PM

I'm planning on doing my first cycle but i am just wondering what do u think is the best cycle to keep gains after u go off.

**BDTR** · 08-20-2003, 11:23 PM

1-10 test-e 500mg a week
clomid post cycle.

**tbulldog** · 08-20-2003, 11:26 PM

be sure to have anti-e on hand

**mmafighter18** · 08-20-2003, 11:30 PM

on the effectiveness chart test e has a 1 in the keep gains section and high water retention

**BDTR** · 08-20-2003, 11:31 PM

Don't listen to that chart, a lot of the info on it is way off.

**Money Boss Hustla** · 08-20-2003, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by bdtr

1-10 test-e 500mg a week
clomid post cycle.

Agreed. Would be even better with 1-4 test prop 75mg ED added on.

**BDTR** · 08-20-2003, 11:35 PM

Yup, a good kickstart. I was just sticking to the basics for em though since the prop isn't 100% needed.

**Money Boss Hustla** · 08-20-2003, 11:44 PM

...but who wants to wait!

**mmafighter18** · 08-20-2003, 11:45 PM

what is ed and test p has good gains and i will still keep these after i stop? also i already have some winny depot

**Money Boss Hustla** · 08-20-2003, 11:48 PM

every day

by the time you finish the prop the enanthate will be kicking in nicely

**mmafighter18** · 08-20-2003, 11:50 PM

what is the final cycle and the gains will stay?
and what about the winny

**BDTR** · 08-20-2003, 11:52 PM

1-4 test prop 75mg ed
1-10 test-e 500mg a week

clomid started two weeks after your last injection of test-e

Day 1 300mg
100mg ten days
50mg ten days

have nolvadex on hand for gyno.

**Money Boss Hustla** · 08-20-2003, 11:52 PM

Most of your gains will stay with a proper PCT.

Save the winny for later.

**BDTR** · 08-20-2003, 11:53 PM

Also winny isn't needed your first time out.

**talon** · 08-21-2003, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by bdtr

1-4 test prop 75mg ed
1-10 test-e 500mg a week

clomid started two weeks after your last injection of test-e

Day 1 300mg
100mg ten days
50mg ten days

have nolvadex on hand for gyno.

Sup BDTR, When your talking about the second part is that for Clomid therapy? I mean the Day 1 300mg etc. etc.?