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    What u think about this?

    First cycle, after a long break..................5 Weeks 400mg/DECA , and 4 Weeks 500mg/SUSTANON 250

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    Way too short to see any true results.

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    Not a good cycle.

    Too short do a little more research. I would at leat go 10 weeks. Also if your saying this is your first cycle I would only run test to give you a chance to see how well you react to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdtr
    Way too short to see any true results.
    8 weeks of DECA right?

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    Atleast 10 with both the deca and the sust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    Not a good cycle.

    Too short do a little more research. I would at leat go 10 weeks. Also if your saying this is your first cycle I would only run test to give you a chance to see how well you react to it.


    But considering DECA is a good base, maintance i thought stacking it with SUSTANON 250 witch is TEST, would be better, But ur right i should go with 8 weeks of DECA and 4 weeks of SUSTANON.....

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    No, you should go 10 weeks of both.

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    DAmn...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackac
    But considering DECA is a good base, maintance i thought stacking it with SUSTANON 250 witch is TEST, would be better, But ur right i should go with 8 weeks of DECA and 4 weeks of SUSTANON.....

    That much bro.......10 weeks of both.............Well i ahve enought right now for 5 weeks each.....So...u know,

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    Get enough for 5 weeks more of each.

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    manif you run 4 weeks of sust and 10 of deca your really gonna be pissed at the end...running deca without test is just asking for dick problems...

    dont stack your deca with sust...instead stack it with single longer acting ester like enathate or cyponaite...Madmax

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    I agree with the single ester but I think he already has the sust.

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    think so ////

    Quote Originally Posted by bdtr
    No, you should go 10 weeks of both.

    Ive read so much that SUSTANON 250.....is a good to stack with DECA in the beggining then lay off it for the last 4 to 6 weeks, why do u disagree bro...Just curoius

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdtr
    Get enough for 5 weeks more of each.
    Did u see what madamax wrote..................that ill be pissed at the end when i stack susTANON AND decA ...

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    You'll be even more pissed if you stop it at 4 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackac
    Ive read so much that SUSTANON 250.....is a good to stack with DECA in the beggining then lay off it for the last 4 to 6 weeks, why do u disagree bro...Just curoius

    whod you here that from....sust and deca go great together, but not the way your running it....do some more research bro..the educational threads have a lot of info in them....Madmax

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    oK, SO....

    Quote Originally Posted by Madmax
    manif you run 4 weeks of sust and 10 of deca your really gonna be pissed at the end...running deca without test is just asking for dick problems...

    dont stack your deca with sust...instead stack it with single longer acting ester like enathate or cyponaite...Madmax

    YOUR sAYING FO RME TO STILL RUN THE deCA FOR 10 WEEKS ....BUT STACK IT WITH WHAT ELSE??????i HAVE LEANS MUSCLE .....I MEAN CUT DIRTY JUST WANT THE EXTAR 15LBS ON TOP OF MY 165LBS.....

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    tHEN HOW IS THE CPORRECT WAY TO RUN IT BRO

    Quote Originally Posted by Madmax
    whod you here that from....sust and deca go great together, but not the way your running it....do some more research bro..the educational threads have a lot of info in them....Madmax


    O IF IM NOT RUNNING IT COREEECTLY......8 WEEKS DECA , AND 4 WEEKS SUS, THEN WHAT IS CORRECT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackac
    Ive read so much that SUSTANON 250.....is a good to stack with DECA in the beggining then lay off it for the last 4 to 6 weeks, why do u disagree bro...Just curoius
    Wherever you read that statement is full of shit. Deca is an alright drug, but test should be the base of all your cycles. All long ester drugs ie deca, eq, sus, test enan etc etc shoutld eb run a minimum of 10 wks 12-16 wks being optimum JMO. Short esters are a different story though

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    Lol

    Quote Originally Posted by bdtr
    You'll be even more pissed if you stop it at 4 weeks.

    o I TOTALY AGRE WITH U.......I JUST WANT TO FEEL COMFORTABLE AT 10 WEEKS OF deac AND 10 WEEKS OF sus..........i just thought it was to much, but hey thats what advice is for

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    Where did you read this? You will need to run SUS either EOOD or EOD(better) for it to give you the gains you want to see. Like MadMax and bdtr said go with a single ester test like cyp or enan.

    Now if you run the Deca and cut the SUS early then you could develop the dreaded Deca Dick.

    You need tons of research before you start this cycle.... Also what anti-e's do you have on hand.... do you have bromo in case you get gyno from the Deca?

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    btw, what is your age + stats? I should have asked this to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackac
    O IF IM NOT RUNNING IT COREEECTLY......8 WEEKS DECA, AND 4 WEEKS SUS, THEN WHAT IS CORRECT
    IMHO....

    wks 1-12 Sus
    wks 1-10 Deca

    Sus does have the decoanate ester in its blend but i feel its neccessary to stop the deca short of the test because IMO its easier to recover from test then it is from deca. Also on a side note, i woudl never come off a cycle that consisted of deca w/o HCG and clomid/nolva post cycle.

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    i know...

    Quote Originally Posted by skii96
    Wherever you read that statement is full of shit. Deca is an alright drug, but test should be the base of all your cycles. All long ester drugs ie deca, eq, sus, test enan etc etc shoutld eb run a minimum of 10 wks 12-16 wks being optimum JMO. Short esters are a different story though
    I know what ur saying...DECA is just maintance a good base, that needs to be stacked with somewthing else............i figured 10 weeks off DECA,and 5 weeks OF SUS....Whats ur advice on a good effciceint cycle bro.......

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    Makes sense....

    [QUOTE=skii96]IMHO....

    wks 1-12 Sus
    wks 1-10 Deca

    Sus does have the decoanate ester in its blend but i feel its neccessary to stop the deca short of the test because IMO its easier to recover from test then it is from deca. Also on a side note, i woudl never come off a cycle that consisted of deca w/o HCG and clomid/nolva post cycle.[/QUOTE

    U make total sense.....so 12 weeks of SUS 500 mg a week, and 10 weeks of DECA 400 mg a week

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    WOW...... My head hurts now..... j/k

    What are your stats? How many cycles have you ran and what were they?

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    Ideally i'd go
    deca - 1-10
    sust 1-12

    At the very least run them both 1-10 because the deconate in the sust will still be around after 3 weeks although you're better off with 1-12 with the test.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackac
    O IF IM NOT RUNNING IT COREEECTLY......8 WEEKS DECA, AND 4 WEEKS SUS, THEN WHAT IS CORRECT

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    Yup, what skii said.

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    ..

    [QUOTE=bdtr]btw, what is your age + stats? I should have asked this to begin with.[/QUOTE


    25/m.thanks for asking

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    lol

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    WOW...... My head hurts now..... j/k

    What are your stats? How many cycles have you ran and what were they?

    lol, mine too
    but all u guys are a lot of help.i appreciate the patince

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    I wasn't asking for your dating stats lol. I meant training experience/cycle experience/height and weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdtr
    Yup, what skii said.
    LOL we're all trying to type to fast.

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    lol

    Quote Originally Posted by bdtr
    I wasn't asking for your dating stats lol. I meant training experience/cycle experience/height and weight.

    I was wondering why...lol Well ive been taining on and off for like 2 years, but consistelny for the past 7 months......im 5'6" 163 lbs



    i took a slow cycle of only 4 weeks of DECA like 5 months ago.......but shit i gained a solid 8 lbs.....

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    lol

    Quote Originally Posted by skii96
    LOL we're all trying to type to fast.

    inkow ehstdhfkfritr//// thats typing fast...lol.....hey so u thoink the 500 mgs a weekf of sus and 400 mg a week is fine

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    Listen..... If this is your first cycle run a test only cycle. Like I said earlier it will help you see how you and your body reacts to the test.... If you stack now then you will not kknow what's causing problem if they should arise.

    Do you have anti-e's on hand.... or will you use them through the cycle..... What will you do for PCT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    WOW...... My head hurts now..... j/k

    What are your stats? How many cycles have you ran and what were they?
    1 small cycle 5 months ago only DECA 400 mg a week for 4 weeks helped a little

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    I seriously just took a valium after reading this thread. Wow.

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    hey no

    Quote Originally Posted by bdtr
    I seriously just took a valium after reading this thread. Wow.

    say no to drugs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackac
    1 small cycle 5 months ago only DECA 400 mg a week for 4 weeks helped a little
    IMO run a test only cycle then.

    1 - 10 Cyp @ 400mg
    1 - end of PCT Nolva @ 20mg ED
    PCT 3 weeks after last injection

    or

    1 - 10 Enan @ 400mg
    1 - end of PCT Nolva @ 20mg ED
    PCT 2 weeks after last injection

    Now I need to go lay down for awhile

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    i understand

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    Listen..... If this is your first cycle run a test only cycle. Like I said earlier it will help you see how you and your body reacts to the test.... If you stack now then you will not kknow what's causing problem if they should arise.

    Do you have anti-e's on hand.... or will you use them through the cycle..... What will you do for PCT?

    Well. i see what ur saying...lets just hope a problem doest arrise

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    That's not a good attitude to have. You'll wish you didn't say that when you're borrowing your womans bra.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackac
    Well. i see what ur saying...lets just hope a problem doest arrise

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