Next cycle going on in Feb...

**The Natural** · 09-11-2003, 01:22 PM

1-20wk: test enanthate 500mg/eod
1-10wk: tren enanthate(new one, slow tren) 250mg/eod
10-20wk: deca 200mg/eod
14-20wk: winny 100mg/ed

nolva at hand and clomid+HCG after cycle...

Whaddaya think folks?

**NoLimits** · 09-11-2003, 01:25 PM

How many cycles have you done?
A suggestion, run the winny from weeks 16 thru 22, help solidify your gains and take you into your post cycle treatment.

**The Natural** · 09-11-2003, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by NoLimits

How many cycles have you done?
A suggestion, run the winny from weeks 16 thru 22, help solidify your gains and take you into your post cycle treatment.

I know this sounds silly... but I've only done 1 cycle... that failed (fake gear maybe... or underdosed!)

Thanx for the feedback!

**motoxxxguy** · 09-11-2003, 03:08 PM

That seems like a LOT of gear for your first real cycle. If the last cycle you did used fake gear, then it doesn't really count as a cycle, does it. Still, unless this is a typo, you are looking at 1500 to 2000mg of test each week! The tren enanthate I have no experience with, but you are around 750 - 1000mg per week of that. Unless you are a monster already, you don't need that much. The "tren and deca in the same cycle" thing is debatable, but I wouldn't do it personally.

-moto

**usualsuspect** · 09-11-2003, 03:31 PM

I'm assuming you meant 500mgs of test a week.

That alone should be more then enough to run a 20 weeker with.

Especially considering you have no idea how your body reacts to diff compounds since it will be your first cycle.

~US~

**The Natural** · 09-11-2003, 03:36 PM

I've done 5oomg of sus and 400mg of deca with SHIT results... So I am doing MUCH higher dosages to find out if it was fake or maybe underdosed (for me)

**usualsuspect** · 09-11-2003, 04:47 PM

By running lower dosages this time around you can find out if the gear in your last cycle was fake and avoid many of the sides that high dosages bring.

~US~

**Rickson** · 09-11-2003, 04:52 PM

I never thought I would say this but that is too much gear for someone who has done one cycle that might have been fake.

***Billy_Bathgate*** · 09-11-2003, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rickson

I never thought I would say this but that is too much gear for someone who has done one cycle that might have been fake.

I never thought I would say this, but I agree!

Those dosages are rediculous for even a real 2nd or 3rd cycle. I think its too long as well.

actually, if I were you, I would run test alone. Spend the money that you would have used on the other stuff and get some nice high quality test. A good 600 alone would be great.

**The Natural** · 09-11-2003, 05:29 PM

I know I know... maybe I should cut it down to:
1-10wk: test enanthate 500mg/eod
1-10wk: tren enanthate(new one, slow tren) 250mg/eod
1-10wk: deca 200mg/eod
6-12wk: winny 100mg/ed

I want High dosages because of the incident last time! I didnt gain shit, but got the sexdrive and aggression!

**The Natural** · 09-12-2003, 02:50 AM

So... Whats the verdict now boys'n girls???

**tmeoe** · 09-12-2003, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by The Natural

I know I know... maybe I should cut it down to:
1-10wk: test enanthate 500mg/eod
1-10wk: tren enanthate(new one, slow tren) 250mg/eod
1-10wk: deca 200mg/eod
6-12wk: winny 100mg/ed

I want High dosages because of the incident last time! I didnt gain shit, but got the sexdrive and aggression!

My guess is you only got those because of a placebo effect. You thought thats what would happen if you were on gear so thats how you acted subconsciously. Did your balls shrink up, did you get more acne, were there any sides that you could visually see on your body? If not then your gear was probably fake.

As for your cycle, take it WAY down. I'd drop the winny this go around, stick with the deca and enanthate. Drop the dose of test to 500mgs a week. Not sure about this one, but i don't think you should run deca all the way through with the test. Also, i hope your not getting this gear from the same guy you got the last stuff from.

In the world of AAS more is not always better. A dose of 250mgs/wk of test is way more than your body will produce naturally. Good luck.

**The Natural** · 09-12-2003, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by tmeoe

My guess is you only got those because of a placebo effect. You thought thats what would happen if you were on gear so thats how you acted subconsciously. Did your balls shrink up, did you get more acne, were there any sides that you could visually see on your body? If not then your gear was probably fake.

As for your cycle, take it WAY down. I'd drop the winny this go around, stick with the deca and enanthate . Drop the dose of test to 500mgs a week. Not sure about this one, but i don't think you should run deca all the way through with the test. Also, i hope your not getting this gear from the same guy you got the last stuff from.

In the world of AAS more is not always better. A dose of 250mgs/wk of test is way more than your body will produce naturally. Good luck.

EXACTLY!!! I didnt get any acne... I'm unsure if my balls shrunk! No sides... I think maybe High BP! but that was it!!!

hmmmm....

Maybe I should cut the cycle down another notch:

NEW CYCLE
-------------

1-10wk: test enanthate 500mg/eod
1-10wk: deca 200mg/eod
6-12wk: winny 100mg/ed

OK! This is maybe the Ideal cycle... Maybe throw in some dbol at 50mg/day the first 3 wks

**hybrid** · 09-12-2003, 07:41 AM

I think what everyone is getting at is that 500 mgs of test eod is too much. Most people on their first cycles take 500mg per week at most. You are taking 3 to 4 times more test per week than you probably need. Somewhere between a gram and a half and two grams test per week? That's best saved for when you have more experience and more feedback on your own body bro.

**The Natural** · 09-12-2003, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by hybrid

I think what everyone is getting at is that 500 mgs of test eod is too much. Most people on their first cycles take 500mg per week at most. You are taking 3 to 4 times more test per week than you probably need. Somewhere between a gram and a half and two grams test per week? That's best saved for when you have more experience and more feedback on your own body bro.

But I did (maybe fake) 500mg sus/wk
With NO gains... just some sides like aggression, horniness and bad stamina...

Therefore the higher test level...

BTW! This is my last cycle...

I have added something extra

Test enan : 500mg E3D 10wks
Deca : 200mg E3D 10wks
EQ: 200mg e3d 10wks
winny: 100mg ED wk6-12

Better now?

**halifaxsteve** · 09-12-2003, 08:20 AM

nope...i would change that...

first, i wouldn't run eq and deca in the same cycle. and the deca is too low IMO.

i agree that maybe you should just get some test and run it 500mg/wk 10 wks (600 if you really want to). invest in some higher quality stuff, see how that works for you

if you are going to run deca 10 wks, you need ot run the enan wk 1-11, and winny wk 8-13, starting PCT day after last winny.

**Rookiejay** · 09-12-2003, 08:38 AM

I think you should check the gear quality from your first cycle.

One sample size is not scientifically enough to conclude that you need an enormous amount of gear to be effective.

Before you start next cycle - send the gear to the lab for testing - after you get the results - run a normal dose cycle.

from your previous posts - it's very reasonable to assume - your gear was either underdosed or just fake.

There's no need for risking your health and life.

**The Natural** · 09-12-2003, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rookiejay

I think you should check the gear quality from your first cycle.

One sample size is not scientifically enough to conclude that you need an enormous amount of gear to be effective.

Before you start next cycle - send the gear to the lab for testing - after you get the results - run a normal dose cycle.

from your previous posts - it's very reasonable to assume - your gear was either underdosed or just fake.

There's no need for risking your health and life.

Man You never talk BULLSHIT!!!

Thanx for the advice, but I cant labtest gear man... I dunno how! I am not in US, I'm in europe!

**The Natural** · 09-12-2003, 01:37 PM

BTW If you look at my new cycle its

1000mg test/wk
400mg deca /wk
400mg EQ/wk

Maybe I should bump up the deca and EQ to 600 or 800mg per wk

**halifaxsteve** · 09-12-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by The Natural

BTW If you look at my new cycle its

1000mg test/wk
400mg deca /wk
400mg EQ/wk

Maybe I should bump up the deca and EQ to 600 or 800mg per wk

i still dont think you should run deca and eq concurrently in the same cycle, and for a real first time cycle, your test is too high IMO

get some real gear this time, run it at a reasonable dose, then go big. that is your best/safest bet.

***Billy_Bathgate*** · 09-12-2003, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by The Natural

BTW If you look at my new cycle its

1000mg test/wk
400mg deca /wk
400mg EQ/wk

Maybe I should bump up the deca and EQ to 600 or 800mg per wk

Cut everything in half, or chose either deca or eq along with 500 test.

Those dosages are still rediculous. Find a good source and stick to quality problems and youre not going to have a problem.

**The Natural** · 09-12-2003, 02:57 PM

Mate this is my last cycle... I am gonna get married after and stop using AS!

Therefore!!!!

BTW!
My new source couldnt fix deca so i am going for this:

50mg dbol ED - 3wks

1000mg test enan \
700mg eq } 10wks
800mg tren enan /

100mg winny wk 6-12

Clomid and HCG - ACT!!!

**halifaxsteve** · 09-12-2003, 03:11 PM

you obvisouly dont' take advice very well, those doses are too high, and taking dbol at 50mg /day for 3 wks then winny for 6wks at 100mg/day is going to be hell on your liver.

for your own health and body, i STRONGLY suggest you reconsider, and listen to the voice of reason

there is no need...

**Rookiejay** · 09-12-2003, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by halifaxsteve

you obvisouly dont' take advice very well, those doses are too high, and taking dbol at 50mg /day for 3 wks then winny for 6wks at 100mg/day is going to be hell on your liver.

for your own health and body, i STRONGLY suggest you reconsider, and listen to the voice of reason

there is no need...

Honestly, I don't think this guy wants advice - I doubt he's going to do any AS at all....

IMO - He's just a kid who wants some attention.......

**BUYLONGTERM** · 09-12-2003, 04:00 PM

SO, your thinking your last cycle gear was fake, and to prove it to yourself you up the dosages on your new cycle? Hmmm, that doesn't make a bit of sense. I would someone find out if your gear was legit. I also would take the advise from the bro's on this board and cut the dosages down!!! Wouldn't it be nice to find out that half the doses and good gear will give great results??? Rethink!

**The Natural** · 09-12-2003, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Rookiejay

Honestly, I don't think this guy wants advice - I doubt he's going to do any AS at all....

IMO - He's just a kid who wants some attention.......

Hey bro... I am dead serious!!! I am not listening to the too high dosage talk, because I know MANY people who have done similar dosages and gotten GREAT results...

BTW! Somebody else got sust from my old source and got BIG! So there ya go... I UNDERDOSED!!! Seems like my body doesnt respond well to As or maybe CRAP genetics :-(

I mean it... I just wanna do ONE big cycle and stop it there...

I know you guys are overprotective (thanks bros

) but its only this once... Then its back to natural...

**The Natural** · 09-12-2003, 05:11 PM

Okok... so I have rethinked... but I aint touching the test dose...

I'll rather cut the EQ and Tren to : 400mg/wk

**hybrid** · 09-13-2003, 01:11 PM

No one ever stops after just one cycle.

**The Natural** · 09-13-2003, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by hybrid

No one ever stops after just one cycle.

Believe me, bro! For my forthcoming wife... I WILL!!!

**Diesel** · 09-13-2003, 04:11 PM

Here is my .02.

1-11 Enan 600mg/wk
1-10 Deca 200mg/wk
1-10 EQ 400mg/wk

1 gram of test is far to much for a first or second cycle IMO. Running Deca and EQ together will allow you to gain some good quality LBM while keeping your water retention down. Thus allowing your BP to stay under control.

Again, just my .02

D

**Diesel** · 09-13-2003, 04:12 PM

In addition, I don't suggest Tren to anyone for their first or second cycle.

D

**The Natural** · 09-14-2003, 03:40 PM

OK! Bros... I've comed to my senses...

What about:

750mg test enan wk 1-15
400mg EQ wk 1-14
400mg tren wk 1-14
100mg Winny ED wk 11-17

Better now?

**motoxxxguy** · 09-14-2003, 04:20 PM

no.

-moto

**The Natural** · 09-15-2003, 04:31 AM

I'll go for it anyway!

Thanx for your time brothers!

I'll keep you posted!

**motoxxxguy** · 09-15-2003, 09:26 AM

I'm kinda curious why you even asked this question in the first place, if you had no intention of heeding what advise you where given by a bunch of very knowledgeable and experienced bros?

-moto

**usualsuspect** · 09-15-2003, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by The Natural

I'll go for it anyway!

Thanx for your time brothers!

I'll keep you posted!

And I thought my grandfather on my dad's side of the family was thick-headed (He's all Italian of course). Bro you might have him beat!

~US~

**The Natural** · 09-15-2003, 12:11 PM

HEY!!!

I respect your opinions... but I found out that 500mg sust didnt do SHIT to me!!! And it was legit!!!

So there you go... thanks for your underdosed advice!!!

With all respect, I understand you guys, but it varies VERY much from person to another... So dont tell me itrs too much, when your previous advice of 500mg sus didnt do shit!!!

**Diesel** · 09-15-2003, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Natural

HEY!!!

I respect your opinions... but I found out that 500mg sust didnt do SHIT to me!!! And it was legit!!!

So there you go... thanks for your underdosed advice!!!

With all respect, I understand you guys, but it varies VERY much from person to another... So dont tell me itrs too much, when your previous advice of 500mg sus didnt do shit!!!

Easy killer!

If your going to run that cycle, up the EQ to 600mg/wk.

D

**The Natural** · 09-16-2003, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Diesel

Easy killer!

If your going to run that cycle, up the EQ to 600mg/wk.

D

Thanx bro!

That was exactly what I was gonna do...

**The Natural** · 10-01-2003, 03:55 AM

OK! This is my complete one:

1-4wk: 100mg prop ED -OR- drol 100mg ED
1-15 wk: Test enanth 250mg EOD
1-14wk: EQ 200mg EOD
1-15wk: Tren (No ester) 100mg EOD
8-10wk: HCG 5000iu/wk
11-17wk: Winny tabs 150mg ED
week 18: Clomid

Nolva and Bromo at hand!

OK! DONT comment the dosages, just comment the layout!!!
Is it any good!?