questions on first cycle

**armwrestler22** · 10-09-2003, 01:43 AM

hey I'm sorry to bother the veterans with a simple newbie question, but I was wondering about my first cycle. I'm 6'0 foot tall about 230 pounds, i've done a good amount of research but i'm still puzzled. I'm about 24% body fat and wanted to get good strength gains, decent size gains, but get a lot more defined. I was thinking about an 8 week cycle of 400mg deca a week with increasing amounts of clebuterol in weeks 1-2 and 5-6. I was also contemplating taking 25mg a day of oxandrolone for weeks 2-8 to get rid of the water retention and to harden the muscles. if anyone could please reply with a good cycle plan to achieve my goals that would be great. thank you all so much, this is a great site.

**symatech** · 10-09-2003, 01:50 AM

Well, I would not suggest a cycle without test. Drop the deca if you want to get more defined. Maybe replace the deca with EQ and hit some prop. The var is a good addition too. This is a nice cycle with some great strength.

What I would really suggest though is you post your workout history and what you do now. Also your diet. I believe that you will be happier now if we tweak these a bit and lower the bf before you jump into the juice. Thats just my suggestion

peace

**palme** · 10-09-2003, 01:59 AM

Well deside if you want to bulk or cut, doing both at once is hard. At 24% i would want to cut.
Test, eq, armx/liquidex with clen /eca, cardio and a good diet.
I think 25mg var is to little, ive done 30mg´s and didnt like it at all.

**DBfitness** · 10-09-2003, 02:10 AM

[QUOTE=symatech]Well, I would not suggest a cycle without test.

Agree. Never take a cycle without Test. You really really dont want to take a cycle that includes Deca without Test. Take my word for it!

**armwrestler22** · 10-09-2003, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by palme

Well deside if you want to bulk or cut, doing both at once is hard. At 24% i would want to cut.
Test, eq, armx/liquidex with clen /eca, cardio and a good diet.
I think 25mg var is to little, ive done 30mg´s and didnt like it at all.

is eq equipoise ? what kind of test should i take? and for an 8 week cycle how much of eq and test should i take a week and for what weeks 1-8 should I take them in? thank you very much for your patients.