newbie needs cycle help

**armwrestler22** · 10-09-2003, 04:25 PM

hey I'm sorry to bother the veterans with a simple newbie question, but I was wondering about my first cycle. I'm 6'0 foot tall about 230 pounds, i've done a good amount of research but i'm still puzzled. I'm about 24% body fat and wanted to get good strength gains, decent size gains, but get a lot more defined. i was interested in an 8 week cycle. I just started a really high protein low carb diet to start things off. I know clen is a must and I will take it daily between weeks 1-2 and 5-6. BUt all my other ideas I have got negative feedback on. Can someone please help outline some cycles that could achieve my goals, maybe when you started out someone took you by the hand, I hate to sound like a little girl but I need that help right now. thank you all so much.

**shane85** · 10-09-2003, 04:37 PM

hey bro
before u start any juice I reccomend cutting your body fat % in half at least....here is sort of an un-healthy yet effective approach I did, but in the end wasnt happy because I lost alot of muslce but lost 20 pds within 2 weeks...but liek I said I wasnt happy with it, but u could try it if u want (I did this about 1.5 years ago)

well because im diabetic and always have to eat, what I did was susbstitute food for orange juice. I was only eating like 2 meals a day and orange juice instead other times. Basically just substiute your food for a filling drink or whatever.

Then at the gym, the first thing u should do is go on an eliptical machine, set the restiance at 8, and go for 25minutes at over 200 strides / minute. Hard to do, but on the 3rd or 4th day u should be able to do it. Within a few weeks you will start noticing substancial ammount of bf loss.

DOnt know if thats good adivce or bad, but it worked for me. Like I said though I wouldnt do it again, I lost alot of muslce.

But 24% body fat is way to high to do a cycle. Even if it is a cutting cycle - steroids arent magical susbstances that get u where u want - eitherway you will ahve to work very hard

**TheMudMan** · 10-09-2003, 09:06 PM

armwrestler22 - You might want to hold off for awhile on the cycle. Most important thing for you to do is to get your bodyfat down without any drugs. Get a good training and cardio plan going with a diet that will get you towards your goals.

Good luck.

**depdaddy** · 10-09-2003, 09:10 PM

definately cut bodyfat first..then hit the goodies hard

***50%Natural*** · 10-09-2003, 09:15 PM

Deffinately

**bigsd67** · 10-09-2003, 09:46 PM

shane that is probably the worst thing you could have done to yourself....torture is not the way to lose weight..and 20 lbs in two weeks is torture.

**ross3814** · 10-09-2003, 09:50 PM

your already a big guy. if i were you i would just do a sick cardio routine for about 4 months. and i mean hard core cardio. still weight lift but put it second, spend more time hittin the cardio. low fat diet too. i would try to keep the fat consumption down to like 15-18%. you will prob be looking pretty diesel doing that.