Updated Cycle, suggestions needed.

**seventy7** · 10-12-2003, 07:22 PM

week 1 - 12 deca (3 x 100mg injections per week)
week 1 - 12 Test Enan (4 x 100mg injections per week)
week 10 - 14 winny (50mg every 2 days.)
week 14 - 16 clomid and nolva

20 years old as of july 18, 2003. 215 pounds, 6'1" about 15% bf

My questions now are:

1. Are these dosages, types, and length of time sufficient?
2. Is HCG necessary?
3. Is clomid and nolva taken at the right time and for long enough?
4. I forgot, but is 300mg/wk of deca sufficient?
5. Is test enan very expensive?
6. And how much should i expect to spend on this cycle?

**FrkyBgStok** · 10-12-2003, 07:43 PM

1. run your deca one week less than enan.
2. No
3. Yeah thats good. 300,100,50
4. Yeah for a first time.
5. No
6. Depends, gym prices, reliable source, etc. Test should cost anywhere from $40-90 for 10cc. Deca fom probably 70-125. Clomid about $1 each tab, nolva rougly the same. Winny maybe around $60 not overly sure though

**01dragonslayer** · 10-12-2003, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by seventy7

week 1 - 12 deca (3 x 100mg injections per week)
week 1 - 12 Test Enan (4 x 100mg injections per week)
week 10 - 14 winny (50mg every 2 days.)
week 14 - 16 clomid and nolva

20 years old as of july 18, 2003. 215 pounds, 6'1" about 15% bf

My questions now are:

1. Are these dosages, types, and length of time sufficient?
2. Is HCG necessary?
3. Is clomid and nolva taken at the right time and for long enough?
4. I forgot, but is 300mg/wk of deca sufficient?
5. Is test enan very expensive?
6. And how much should i expect to spend on this cycle?

1. ....or you can run the enth one wk longer than the deca. That'll mean bumping the winny also.
2.HCG is not needed for this cycle.
3.Clomid and nolva is a good combination for your PCT.
4.IMO I would bump the deca to a min. of 400 and bump the enth to 500.
5.Depends on your source.
6.Its really tough to say. See #5.

**seventy7** · 10-12-2003, 08:16 PM

Are my current dosages sufficient though? If so then I will stick with them because of money and this is a first time cycle.

And oh yeah, I may sound dumb, but a CC = how many mg/ml? So that if I'm dosing it out in CCs when buying I know how much to buy.

**01dragonslayer** · 10-12-2003, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by seventy7

Are my current dosages sufficient though? If so then I will stick with them because of money and this is a first time cycle.

Bro, winny must be taken ED because of its short half-life. Blood levels should remain constant.

**TheMudMan** · 10-12-2003, 08:20 PM

Deca and Enan are fine. I would just inject them 2 X a week. The winny run ED at 50mg not every 2 days also extend the winny 1 more week so that you're running it 6 weeks.

**seventy7** · 10-12-2003, 08:30 PM

Does ED mean everyday?

**TheMudMan** · 10-12-2003, 08:41 PM

ED = Every Day
EOD = Every Other Day

**seventy7** · 10-12-2003, 08:52 PM

One more question, should I start with a lower dosage and work my way up and then work my way down as I come off the cycle? Or is the 6 week winny at the end with the anti-est's good enough for coming off?

**01dragonslayer** · 10-13-2003, 03:37 AM

Keep your doses constant throughout the entire cycle. No need to pyramid. IMO I would not go any lower than 50mg/ED of the winny, anything less may be ineffective. The winny will harden you a up and help solidify your gains.

**seventy7** · 10-13-2003, 07:58 AM

If i took out test enan would this cycle still be very effective?

**TheMudMan** · 10-13-2003, 08:10 AM

Yes.......... Test is Test.

**Tuggy** · 10-13-2003, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by seventy7

If i took out test enan would this cycle still be very effective?

What test are yo replacing ti with? You should always run a test with your cycle, especially with Deca .

**TheMudMan** · 10-13-2003, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Tuggy

What test are yo replacing ti with? You should always run a test with your cycle, especially with Deca.

Wow I'm still sleeping.............. Do not run this cycle or any future cycles without test.

**toolman** · 10-13-2003, 09:05 AM

Everyone has given solid advice on this cycle, except I would disagree with it. If this is your first cycle, I think your running too many compounds. I would go witht he test alone and see how your body reacts to gear. If you get sides like Gyno, you wont know if it is test induced or deca induced. I think the 3 compounds would make a solid 2 or 3rd cycle, but not for your first.

**FrkyBgStok** · 10-13-2003, 09:24 AM

i do agree with toolman and it is quite a few and ed injections are not really recommended for a beginner, however, if you want to do it that bad.......do it.

**seventy7** · 10-13-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by FrkyBgStok

i do agree with toolman and it is quite a few and ed injections are not really recommended for a beginner, however, if you want to do it that bad.......do it.

i'm far from ignorant when it comes to something as serious as this. i'm not gonna do something just because i want to do it that bad. if you guys suggest doing only test then thats what i will do, you guys know about this kind of thing alot more than i do. and no matter what the price i will always take 100% precautions against side effects, and read and study as much as i can so that i can know enough to do the right thing.

so from what toolman said, should i just go with the test/winny stack or take out the winny as well and then do it with a test stack in a later cycle?

i know i may get annoying asking a million questions, but better safe than sorry, right? and thanks for being patient with me and giving me such good, positive feedback.

**FrkyBgStok** · 10-13-2003, 01:51 PM

if it were me, i would do a test only cycle. No winny, no deca , nothing but test. Test should be the base of all future cycles, so you want to know exactly how your body reacts to it. Do enan. 12 weeks at 500mg/wk clomid and nolva and call it good. You'll have time for everything else.

**TheMudMan** · 10-13-2003, 01:55 PM

I don't like winny......... it just not worth the price or the pain IMO

Bro run a test only cycle for 10 weeks at 400mg... either cyp or enan. I would also run nolvadex ED throughout the cycle at 10mg ED. I would then use nolva durring PCT with clomid to restore HPTA functions.

Bro ask away that is what the board is for.

**seventy7** · 10-13-2003, 02:08 PM

okay so thats what i feel most comfortable with so far mudman.

one last question, how does milligrams convert to cc/ml with test enan?

**TheMudMan** · 10-13-2003, 02:12 PM

Example: Test Enan 250

If the vial reads 250mg per ml/cc
1cc/ml = 250mg of testosterone

**seventy7** · 10-13-2003, 02:14 PM

actually that wasn't my last question :P

how does this kind of test compare to legal test, like test-1 and test-4?

**TheMudMan** · 10-13-2003, 02:20 PM

They don't compare...... that's why one is legal and the other isn't

***Billy_Bathgate*** · 10-13-2003, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

I don't like winny......... it just not worth the price or the pain IMO

Bro run a test only cycle for 10 weeks at 400mg... either cyp or enan. I would also run nolvadex ED throughout the cycle at 10mg ED. I would then use nolva durring PCT with clomid to restore HPTA functions.

Bro ask away that is what the board is for.

what he said.