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10-14-2003, 08:15 AM #1Junior Member
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Low-Dose Cycle Advice Needed
First my stats:
32, 5'10", 205 lbs, 10-15%BF, lifting for 7 years, 3 seriously. One cycle so far, 300 mg deca for 10 weeks, with 20 mg dbol ed first 4 weeks, 50 mg winstrol weeks 11-12, followed by clomid theraphy.
I finished the cycle just over a year ago, and am looking at starting my second one in January. I deliberately went low-dose with my first cycle and loved the results. I gained 20 lbs and kept about 15 of them, along with most of my strength gains. For my second cycle, I'm looking at the following:
wk 1-10: 200 mg deca & 200 mg test (cyp or enth)
wk 11-12: 30-50 mg winny ed
followed by clomid
My goals for this cycle are to end up keeping 10-15 lbs, regardless of how much total I gain during the cycle, and making some decent strength gains. My question is are these goals realistic with the amounts I am looking at taking, assuming good diet, etc.? I definitely want to stick with the low-dose route, but am wondering if this is too low for any real results.
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10-14-2003, 08:22 AM #2Originally Posted by gunner27
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10-14-2003, 08:25 AM #3
You ran 300mg a week of Deca so why run less this time around? I would run more test then you are deca. I also think running winny for 1 week is a waste.
This is how I would run it......... If you're only going to run the winny for a week I would save my money and not run it.
1 - 10 Cyp 400mg or 1 - 11 Enan 400mg
1 - 10 Deca 300mg
8 - 13 Winny 50mg ED
1 - up to PCT 10mg Nolva ED
1 day after last winny dose start PCT Clomid and Nolva and run for 4 weeks..... Clomd 300/100/50 and Nolva 20mg ED
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10-14-2003, 08:41 AM #4Junior Member
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Originally Posted by TheMudMan
With the winny, I would actually be running it for 2 weeks--weeks 11 and 12--and using it mainly to harden up gains and bridge the gap between stopping injectables and starting clomid and possibly nolva.
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10-14-2003, 08:50 AM #5
Theres no benifit of running winny for 2 weeks either 6 minimum. I would run the deca at what you did last time or more not less. You should always run test in all cycles.
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10-14-2003, 09:40 AM #6
running winny for 6 wks is waste let alone just 2.
Take Mud's suggestion on the dosages...he know's his stuff and plus I think you will be much happier in the long run.
~US~
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10-14-2003, 07:39 PM #7Junior Member
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Any feedback is appreciated, but I'm particularly interested in hearing from people who have done or advocate low-dose cycles.
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10-15-2003, 11:21 AM #8Associate Member
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Well I like low dose cycles because I respond extremely well to low doses. However, my approach is different than your's. I like to run low dose cycles for very long periods of time for a couple of reasons: it's healthier, less side issues to deal with, gains will come slow but they will typically be of a higher quality, it's easier to maintain those gains, and the body composition transformation is nothing short of amazing.
If I have read between the lines of your post correctly, you may be interested in checking out a thread we recently discussed over at musclechemistry.com.
Here it is:
http://board1.mantisforums.com/uploa...eferrerid=3339
Check it out and let's discuss this further if you're so inclined. If I have mistaken your intentions, then I apologize for wasting your time. (It is a good read, though, lol.)
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10-15-2003, 11:23 AM #9
I think you should follow mudman's advice.
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10-15-2003, 12:06 PM #10
How about test at 350 a week, 250mg e5d for 12-14 weeks. Nothing else just test.
JohnnyB
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10-15-2003, 12:19 PM #11Member
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
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10-15-2003, 12:28 PM #12Junior Member
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Originally Posted by goldenear
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10-15-2003, 12:32 PM #13Junior Member
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
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10-15-2003, 12:37 PM #14
Add 200-300 of deca to that test
JohnnyB
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10-15-2003, 08:57 PM #15
I highly recommend low doses and I like your doses, but I would go with MUDMANs structure. Just keep the doses like you started.
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10-15-2003, 10:09 PM #16Member
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I'm going to be redundant about my statement (quoting this like 20 times), but my next cycle is going to be 18 weeks long. T-400 300mg weeks 1-16, EQ 300mg weeks 1-15, and Winn for the last 6 weeks.
If your going low dosages, go with something in the 14-18 range. my last cycle i gained almost everything in weeks 8-12, ans you may shorten then best part when your ending the cycle at week 10 or so.
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