My first cycle....Question?

**ddoublevision** · 10-21-2003, 11:53 PM

I am about to start my first cycle, I have been lifting on and off for 9 years and I am 24. My G'pa is former Mr. Iowa but I am reluctant to ask advice from him so I have spent many hours reviewing this site. I am planning to take fina (homebrew) for 6 weeks with a two week clomid dosing after. I do not want to stack this with anything else since I am a newbie, but I was wondering if there is anything else I despertly need? (besides milk thistle or special shampoo, I will use those too>)
Also does anybody know if the spray clomid works okay? Is drinking 2+ gallons of water really enough to protect the liver? Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere, I could'nt find it. Thanks in advance guys... -D

***50%Natural*** · 10-21-2003, 11:57 PM

Bromo is used to combat side effects of fina but I don't know where you can get it so like you I could use this question answered.

**ddoublevision** · 10-22-2003, 01:53 AM

bump..

**sp9** · 10-22-2003, 07:43 AM

After your hours of reviewing this site why did you decide not to use test in your cycle? If you don't want to stack anything then why not go with a test only cycle for your first?

Not trying to sound like a jerk, I have read the board for 20 months and everyone in the know says test is best.

**FrkyBgStok** · 10-22-2003, 07:45 AM

where is are you from in iowa. fina is deff. not recommended for a first cycle. Are you aware of the everyday injections. Bro you need to do more research and then run a test enan. cycle for 10-12 weeks with a 3 week post cycle plan.

**TRE** · 10-22-2003, 07:48 AM

scott dont you know 16 weeks of anadrol 200 mg a day is the best for a bigginner LOL

**Testify** · 10-22-2003, 08:28 AM

Tre, this guy might take that seriously. Bad advice (I saw the LOL, but still . . .)

Bro, stick with Test - Cyp or Enan. Run it 10 weeks @ 400-500 mg/wk. Try fina (with Test!!!) next time.

**TRE** · 10-22-2003, 08:32 AM

Your right I'll put it in plain English mext time.

**ddoublevision** · 10-22-2003, 10:37 PM

okay, I will be sure to look into test. Is there anybody that has any different opinions? I would like to hear from people who used fina on their first cycle...(I am sure there are a few).. -D

**Natural666** · 10-22-2003, 10:53 PM

Do the enanthate . I did my first cicle with just that Human not vet. You can get human from any X hreion addicts that are on methadone. The doctor gives it to them cause there body is falling apart. Well in Canada they do. They only pay $25 to $30 bucks for a 5cc 200ml bottle. If you can talk the talk thell sell it to you for $50. Shit ive even gone in and pay for the scripe for them. Well it easy for me cause I live in a big city.

**symatech** · 10-22-2003, 10:59 PM

im doing prop as my first cycle which has ed injections. talk to clockworks hes using prop + fina right now. Fina by itself isnt the best idea, if you dont want to stack anything use test only. Most reccomend a longer ester like enanthate or cypionate because all it requires is 2 injections per week or so.

**symatech** · 10-22-2003, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Natural666

Do the enanthate. I did my first cicle with just that Human not vet. You can get human from any X hreion addicts that are on methadone. The doctor gives it to them cause there body is falling apart. Well in Canada they do. They only pay $25 to $30 bucks for a 5cc 200ml bottle. If you can talk the talk thell sell it to you for $50. Shit ive even gone in and pay for the scripe for them. Well it easy for me cause I live in a big city.

**clockworks** · 10-22-2003, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by symatech

talk to clockworks hes using prop + fina right now. Fina by itself isnt the best idea, if you dont want to stack anything use test only. Most reccomend a longer ester like enanthate or cypionate because all it requires is 2 injections per week or so.

word. i was going to do a 6 week tren (yeah i call it tren) only cycle just like you. i was very easily convinced to shell out the extra cash for the test.

reasons?

tren shuts you down hardcore. having no test in your system is bad. makes you tired, loss of sex drive, impotence, all that shit. there are more reasons, but i'll let the more experienced guys explain...i'm just a newb still. from experience though, after week of tren only, i was fucking tired all the time. took 4 hour naps in the middle of the day all the time.

if you are going with homebrew cuz you don't have a source (heh, like me), then you're left with test prop as your only option. its not as easy to make as tren, but it aint that bad. cost $200 for 180ml at 100mg/ml strength. you'll have to do everyday or every other day injections, but you're gunna have to do that with tren anyways...

moral of the story, throw some test in your cycle. almost everyone here will tell you that test should always be the base of your cycle. also, a lot of people say first cycles should be test only cycles.

do a search on tren fucking up people's sex drives (not just temporarily also, but for extended periods of time). it scared me and i started asking what, if anything, can i do help it...answer was add test...=)

-- clocky

**ddoublevision** · 10-23-2003, 04:01 AM

ok. I appriciate it clocky and the rest of the bros. I am still going to do the tren but add a few doses of viagra to my cycle

....J/K
Seriously I have read all about clockys experiance and decided I will do the same thing.
Clocky.....Are you adding Bromo to your cycle since you have decided to add the test? Also what does your post cycle look like?

**clockworks** · 10-23-2003, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by ddoublevision

ok. I appriciate it clocky and the rest of the bros. I am still going to do the tren but add a few doses of viagra to my cycle

....J/K
Seriously I have read all about clockys experiance and decided I will do the same thing.
Clocky.....Are you adding Bromo to your cycle since you have decided to add the test? Also what does your post cycle look like?

bromo helps with progesterone gyno (i.e. the gyno you get from tren or deca ). the gyno you get from test (i.e. the test aromatizing into estrogen) is treated with the "normal" anti-e's such as nolvadex and arimidex . bit of advice though. if you are going to use homemade prop, get nolvadex. arimidex stops the aromatization process of test to estrogen, but with homemade prop, there is the risk that you didn't filter out all the estrogen. what i'm trying to say is that there is a small chance the estrogen is already there when using homemade prop, and arimidex does nothing to stop already made estrogen.

my post cycle is the standard 300/100/50. that means 300mg clomid on first day of PCT, 100mg clomid ED for the next 10 days, then 50mg clomid ED for the next 10 days. gunna start PCT 3 days after last shot (cuz of the short half lives of tren and prop).

hope that helps...
-- clocky

p.s. the only anti-e i have is nolvadex. i'm gambling that my tren dosages are low enough not to have to worry about progesterone gyno and bromo. seems to be the popular thing to do...