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    Ok bros, how's this for my second cycle?

    I am looking to gain pure lean quality muscle mass with as little water retention as possible. I want to get really ripped and I will be doing this cycle in a few months. It looks like this, I changed it a little, what do you guys think?:

    QV Prop weeks 1-15 100mg EOD
    Anavar weeks 1-6 30mgs ED (for a kickstart)
    QV EQ weeks 1-15 400mgs/week
    QV Tren weeks 10-15 75mgs EOD
    QV Winstrol weeks 10-15 50mgs ED

    How does this look, should I changed anything? My diet will be very on point and I will be doing cardio 3 times a week. At first, I was trying to decide between two out of the three (Winstrol, Tren, and Var), but then I decided to use all three and just use the Var in the beginning as a jumpstart. What do you bros think, should I drop anything? Thanks bros.

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    You need to shorten your eq by 3 weeks so you will be able to go into pct okay. Good dosages. Why not put the anavar at the end with the winny to help solidify gains. The prop will be a pretty good kickstart on its own because of its short half life. My .02 I like it though. See what others with more experience say.

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    i wouldnt run the var and winny together. two 17aa roids. Up the prop dose to at least 150mg/eod. drop the tren back a week. Id also ditch the winny and just run the var at the end. my .02

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    Yeah that is good advice. Up to 150 since you are not shooting everyday. It is debatable and I not the debating the fact that both are 17aa but how much damage is that going to be really? Let bdtr look at it. He knows his shit and helped me with my next up coming cycle. I like the winny at the end though.

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    you need to run the tren longer than 5 weeks, it barely starts working after 3 weeks and then you'll be off two weeks after that. I would do at least 8 weeks.

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    That is six weeks:
    10,11,12,13,14,15

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    oh i know running two 17aa together has been debated as not causing as much damage as they say it does....or as its hyped up too. But i still wouldnt do it. perhaps its just me.

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    they aren't being "run together" they're weeks apart.

    Quote Originally Posted by symatech
    oh i know running two 17aa together has been debated as not causing as much damage as they say it does....or as its hyped up too. But i still wouldnt do it. perhaps its just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roch
    you need to run the tren longer than 5 weeks, it barely starts working after 3 weeks and then you'll be off two weeks after that. I would do at least 8 weeks.
    very true...i think it needs to be run around 8 weeks...heres what i would do:

    QV Prop weeks 1-15 100mg EOD
    Anavar weeks 1-6 30mgs ED (for a kickstart)
    QV EQ weeks 1-12 400mgs/week
    QV Tren weeks 7-15 75mgs ED
    QV Winstrol weeks 10-15 50mgs ED

    Stop the EQ at week 12 to get your pct therepy to run right...then run the tren wks 7-12 ED, not EOD, if you wanna run it EOD go with 100-150mg IMO...that would work a little better...see what a vet or expert thinks about that???

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    bdtr, I suggeted he do the anavar towards the end of the cycle instead of jump kicking it. That is why he said don't run 2 17aa's together. From all the research I have done on anavar I wouldn't say it is anywhere near as toxic as what comes to mind when you say 17aa.

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    Getpumped, How many cycles have you done previously because I know from my experience that 30mg anavar a day doesn't really do much for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdtr
    they aren't being "run together" they're weeks apart.
    this was in response to 50% naturals post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdtr
    they aren't being "run together" they're weeks apart.
    There low doses to, I would shorten everything up run it 13 weeks, the they day ur done start pct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigboy123
    There low doses to, I would shorten everything up run it 13 weeks, the they day ur done start pct.
    BDTR,

    I know you have a lot of experience what would you do? Does this look better:

    QV Prop weeks 1-12 100mgs EOD
    QV EQ weeks 1-12 400mgs/week
    Anavar weeks 1-6 35 mgs ED (to get a good jumpstart)
    QV Tren weeks 8-15 75mgs EOD
    QV Winstrol weeks 10-15 50mgs ED

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    PM him. He'll get back with you GP.

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    run your prop all the way to the end (wk 15) because of t short half life...everything looks good after that...but i would dtill run the tren at 75mg ED or 150mg EOD....thats just me

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    Quote Originally Posted by symatech
    Up the prop dose to at least 150mg/eod. drop the tren back a week.
    that looks like my dream cycle...=P gotta agree with symatech about upping the prop dosage. 100mg EOD is only 350mg/week. i'd shoot for least 500mg/week (i.e. 75mg ED or like symatech said, 150mg EOD). just my opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetPumped
    BDTR,

    I know you have a lot of experience what would you do? Does this look better:

    QV Prop weeks 1-12 100mgs EOD
    QV EQ weeks 1-12 400mgs/week
    Anavar weeks 1-6 35 mgs ED (to get a good jumpstart)
    QV Tren weeks 8-15 75mgs EOD
    QV Winstrol weeks 10-15 50mgs ED
    I would change that up for recovery purposes. Normally one would tell you to extend the prop 3 wks and then start PCT 3 days after Prop/Tren/Winny.

    My advice would be to have the tren out of your system a couple of wks before the others to aid in HPTA recovery
    SO:
    wk1-6 35mg Var ED(Var is pretty mild, I'd do 50)
    wk1-15 100mg EOD Prop
    wk1-12 400mg EQ
    wk5-12 75mg EOD Tren
    wk10-15 50mg ED


    Now if it was me, I'd toss the Var, toss the winny, up the tren to 75ed as well as the prop; I think you'll get better results with three compound at a bit higher doses, than 5 at smaller incriments.
    Last edited by Pheedno; 10-24-2003 at 11:15 AM.

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