Need help from the vets. real bad situation

[starter69]

ok here it is.my bro fell 120 feet and broke his arm ,neck , back , a few ribs and had some parts replaced with steel .both his lungs colapsed . you get the picture. he is 6 foot 130LBS he was 170 his doctor off the record has approved the use of AS can you sudgest some cycles fore this situation. his personal trainer feels that it would be fore the best. he is looking to gain 15 lbs at a time.

thanks

[viperlingerfelt]

the 2 things that come to mind are, deca would be a great choice due to i'm sure the joint and ligament pain and damage.....and stay away from winny for the same reason.........a test/deca would be great.....

[viperlingerfelt]

also...oxandrolone is approved for severe wt loss (170 to 130).....and deca is approved for joint and muscle injuries....both on a short term basis....so you md would have no problem (legal or ethical) with giving an rx for short term therapy....and test is cheap almost everywhere........

[starter69]

deca / up john cyp is what we have ben looking at fore the first go . A six week cycle that is. but I camt figure why he shouldent go 12 on 12 off thats what i did the first time.

thanks

[bigkev]

thats a pretty serious fall bro. i am no doctor by a long shot, but in my opinion deca and maybe a little test to start. just run an 8 week cycle the first time, to let his body slowly get back up to par. 400 deca a week 400test a week. workouts should be low intensity to start as his muscles will respond faster than his ligaments and joints, not to mention his bones. dont want to reinjure himself.

[viperlingerfelt]

starter.....with test and deca, you dont really start to see good results til about the 5th week....so if he stops at 6, he will be selling himself short......i think the 12 week would be better.....week 7-10 are always my best growing weeks........

[bigkev]

i usually recommend a 10 week cycle. but given the nature of his injurys, i say 8 weeks is enough for his first run at getting back up to speed. the guy broke every bone in his body. taking that into consideration, he should work up to everything very slowly. he is lucky to be alive.

[starter69]

thanks guys we'll go with 10 weeks deca / test i'll let you know how it goes.
thanks fore all the help

a persons chance of living that fall is 1 in 5000000 buy the books
WOW

[viperlingerfelt]

starter....post the cycle with mg's/ wk you plan on running.....i'd like to see it.....also include what your plans are for controlling aromitization/bloat and anti-e therapy......

[TNT]

Originally posted by starter69
ok here it is.my bro fell 120 feet and broke his arm ,neck , back , a few ribs and had some parts replaced with steel .both his lungs colapsed . . . he is 6 foot 130LBS he was 170 his doctor off the record has approved the use of AS . . .

STOP RIGHT THERE!

Let's think about this for a second . . . Your brother has experienced massive injuries, and his doctor has approved AS off the record? Good. Now find a doctor who will approve AS on the record.

Keep in mind that when we (that is, most of us on the board) do AS cycles, we are combining them with structured workout routines. I presume that your brother has had physical therapy as part of his recovery regimen, which suggests that there must be a specialist in physiological medicine involved somewhere in the loop, not to mention one or more physical therapists themselves. Start with seeking some feedback from them.

If unsuccessful, consult a physician who specializes in sports medicine and rehabilitation so that your brother can maximize his potential by combining an AS cycle with a good rehab-oriented workout routine.

And, if you are able to do so, go with him. Two reasons: First, if you have had any experience doing a cycle yourself, you can act as an advocate for your brother. Even the most well-meaning physician may not have as thorough a knowledge of AS as someone who has had personal experience with AS. You don't have enough to be prescribing for someone who has had extensive injuries, but your feedback will be valuable to both your brother and his physician(s). Second - and although you did not mention this in your post - you can serve as a reality check for your brother's rehab on the whole. Keep in mind that people who have had severe injuries often become addicted on opiates (prescription painkillers such as Lortab, Vicodin, Tylenol #3/4, Percocet, etc.); if your brother is still taking any pain meds, these will factor into any workout routine that is prescribed for him (since painkillers mask pain, they sometimes create an artificial set of goals that can result in him going too far), and you can be an encouragement in his starting to move away from their use. Both your brother and any physicians in the loop should welcome your participation - remember that patients today are proactive, not reactive, and have a strong role in decisions regarding their recovery. A little advocacy on your part and on his behalf may help the situation.

If AS are medically indicated, there is no reason that you should not be able to find a medical professional who is willing to go on the record. AS are regularly presribed for patients who have experienced wasting due to cancer, AIDS, or, yes - injuries. And rather than starting to fuck with Mexican drugs made for horses (yeah, I'm exaggerating, but you get the picture, I hope), your brother has the opportunity to use the real stuff - good ol' U-S-of-A pharmaceutical grade AS. And have his insurance pay for them, as well as for supplies such as syringes/needles. Make the most of it, especially in light of his respiratory problems.

Most of all, take every single post that preceded mine and disregard them. (Sorry bro's, but we need a reality check here.) None of us - including me and, yes, including you - are in a position to recommend a specific cycle for your brother. We're not talking about a dude who wants to get his bodybuilding jollies in "enhanced" mode, we're talking about someone who is in the ongoing process of recovering from some very severe injuries. Any cycle that is prescribed for him should come from a professional who has had in-person contact with him, not a bunch of lay dudes on the Internet who have never met him. Face it, everyone, we all mean well, I'm sure, but we are not qualified to deal with this type of situation. In the face of severe physical and respiratory injuries, there are two many potential sequelae (a fancy word for medical consequences) involved.

I'm sure we all wish you and your bro the best, but what you have here is a situation that potentiates the legitimate use of AS. Like I said, make the most of it.

[viperlingerfelt]

tnt...even though your post was long for me to read (whew, im tired now...LOL)...i agree with you....that is why i suggested the md could give an rx for deca/test or anavar without legal or ethical corcern.....the guy is lucky to be alive and his system has taken a great shock...any aas will also shock the system more, so only use our advice as a reccomendation for the primary physician.......sometimes if you have enough information they listen.......good luck bro

[bigkev]

as always tnt, i am humbled! damn good reply....

[ptbyjason]

Good read TNT.

IMO, consulting a physical therapist about AS will be a dead end road. I was in one of the top 10 PT schools in the country. The discussion about steroids was a joke, all they talk about is side effects, nothing else. The specialist in physiological medicine may be a good choice to talk to, but don't waste time on just any physical therapist.

[starter69]

SORY i HAVE NOT BEN ABLE TO REPLY TO ALL OF THE POASTS ALL I CAN SAY IS THANKS FORE THE INFO AND OPINIONS AND ESPECIALY FORE THE REALTY CHECK HE HAS READ ALL OF YOURPOASTS AND IS LOOKING INTO A SPORTS CLINIC IN MACON GA.
THANKS AGAIN FORE ALL THE HELP
STARTER69

[4plates]

wow that was great info you bros give starter,i learn more on this board then i ever thought i would,
hey TNT i think you should put you old avar back up it was much more fitting