1st cycle

[Newbee]

I was wondering what to stack with eq for my first cycle. I am 6'4" 200lb and want to gain about 15-20 lb while reducing my body fat a couple %. I am a little worried about water retention while on test products but will give them a try if needed. Any suggestions please.

[OTC]

Well, I don't think many will support the idea of doing a cycle without test, Test is simply a must for any cycle, for various reasons. I would think a Test only cycle would be great for a first, that's what I'm researching on doing sometime soon, and I'm getting real positive feedback. Some might say to throw something with more anabolic effects in with the Test (Deca,Eq), but that's up to you and your wallet, and possibly a few more anti-e's to combat the possibility of more sides, like the bloat you don't want. Do what you feel is best for you, but don't be dumb.
-OTC

[Calipso]

agree w/otc

[50%Natural]

long lasting test with anti estrogen such as fermera or nolvadex.

[LORDBLiTZ]

Test

[xxxl83]

Test enanthate 400mg/wk wks 1-10
EQ................. 400mg/wk wks 1-9
clomid wks 12-15
Liquidex .25/ed throughout the cycle and clomid therapy.

xxxl83

[RON]

Test enanthate 400mg/wk wks 1-10
EQ................. 400mg/wk wks 1-9
clomid wks 12-15
Liquidex .25/ed throughout the cycle and clomid therapy.

xxxl83

Looks good to me I usually use nolva instead of Ldex but they both work fine. I'm just a cheap bastard.

[01dragonslayer]

Test E and possibly winny.

[OTC]

Test enanthate 400mg/wk wks 1-10
EQ................. 400mg/wk wks 1-9
clomid wks 12-15
Liquidex .25/ed throughout the cycle and clomid therapy.

xxxl83

Wouldn't running the EQ to 12 or more weeks be optimal since most effects occur rather late with EQ?

[TheMudMan]

Wouldn't running the EQ to 12 or more weeks be optimal since most effects occur rather late with EQ?

Yes it would............ EQ should be ran for 12 weeks minimum. IMO

[RON]

Wouldn't running the EQ to 12 or more weeks be optimal since most effects occur rather late with EQ?

Yes it would. BUT I have ran it for 10 (my very first cycle) and felt I got excellent gains. 30 lbs with that, test E and Dbol. Kept a lot of it. Now I run it for 14+ weeks but I think he'll be OK either way on his first cycle.

[DocHoliday]

I was thinking bumping the eq to 10 weeks also, to end it with test.


Also, EQ is not necessary. A long acting ester (cyp, or enanthate) with adequate anti-e's and proper pct. You'll be just dandy with that.

Doc

[asymmetrical1]

I was thinking bumping the eq to 10 weeks also, to end it with test.


Also, EQ is not necessary. A long acting ester (cyp, or enanthate) with adequate anti-e's and proper pct. You'll be just dandy with that.

Doc

needs to end a week sooner to start pct 2 weeks after test (3 after eq)

[DocHoliday]

needs to end a week sooner to start pct 2 weeks after test (3 after eq)

Really? I need to read.

[asymmetrical1]

agree with you all that he should drop the eq out of cycle completely or run for 12