I am 18 years old and I juice

**Calipso** · 11-04-2003, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Nah, bro, your one of the good guys!!!!

yayyyyy peanut butter jelly time.

**Carlos_E** · 11-04-2003, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Foxy Sphinx

Heres my cycle:

500mg/wk Testosterone Enanthate (West Coast Labs)
Weeks 1-46
500mg/wk Equipoise (West Coast Labs)
Weeks 1-46
8iu/eod Insulin (Humalog)
4 Weeks on/off
12.5mcg/ed T3 (Cytomel )
Weeks 1-46
60mcg/ed LR3IGF-1 (GroPep)
4 Weeks on/off
6iu/ed HGH (Kexing)
Weeks 1-46
50mg/ed Winstrol Tabs (West Coast Labs)
Weeks 33-37
100mg/eod Masteron (Quest Labs)
Weeks 38-46

18 years old. Will be under medical supervision.

This is a joke. Right?

**Powerful Beast** · 11-04-2003, 02:36 PM

One big ass cycle u got there. Dude if you take that stuff for 46 weeks, theres a very good guarantee that you will be getting quadruple bypass surgery around the age of 40-50. Thats some serious stuff..and bone growth? WTF? In no way is that possible no way..am I right guys? or am i wrong? you can grow a lot of height from going 46 weeks in a row? maybe with nolva and and some Arid taken thru the whole cycle?

**slamd097** · 11-04-2003, 02:50 PM

in all my years of being a gym rat, I have yet to see anyone take good advice...(there were those few times, but not a lot)

I am just getting into the AS side of everything, and I have found all sorts of kids on the stuff at the local gym. Hell i think even my friend source is one of those kids. I agree with you all in saying jumping in before you do any research or you reach the end of your growth spurt is a little crazy. Sure there are those who do it right and then there is the other side. But the risk involved while you are young is so great. But to some, i guess the risk is worth the price to pay. I just hope some one does all of the home work....

**Calipso** · 11-04-2003, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by slamd097

in all my years of being a gym rat, I have yet to see anyone take good advice...(there were those few times, but not a lot)

I am just getting into the AS side of everything, and I have found all sorts of kids on the stuff at the local gym. Hell i think even my friend source is one of those kids. I agree with you all in saying jumping in before you do any research or you reach the end of your growth spurt is a little crazy. Sure there are those who do it right and then there is the other side. But the risk involved while you are young is so great. But to some, i guess the risk is worth the price to pay. I just hope some one does all of the home work....

All I have to say is Slamd that people let their ego get in the way of people trying to help.

They feel ignorant when someone trys to help them and it brings down their ego and self-esteem to a low. So sometimes you'll try and help and they'll be like "Well TV said this and that". Hey whatever then! Go do your dbol only cycle. You'll be sorry....

**cjp85** · 11-04-2003, 03:09 PM

Bro, besides all your bonegrowth, how much muscle mass are you planning to put on? Sounds like your going overkill with that cycle. And this is your first cycle? How do you even know how well your body is going to respond to all these drugs

**slamd097** · 11-04-2003, 03:12 PM

i couldn't agree more...If you Bros remember, i was here trying to get something going and was told to stop everything...research and look everything up...

Now that I have, I ask question to which i can't find an answer for. I have held back my cycle and replanned everything and I am now going into this with a game plan to stomp some ass!!!!

I was tired of the wall i hit after 10 years in the gym and not gaining a damn thing!! full of ego and everything else, the Bros here set me straight and I am glad I didn't startr everything..it would have been a night mare

**Calipso** · 11-04-2003, 03:21 PM

I got a big ego (For reasons unknown) but my safety and my testicles are more important then the juice.

I'm glad u waited and stuck around. Gaining naturally is a bitch and takes so long. Guess if you want to get buff, it's the price you pay.

***JohnnyB*** · 11-04-2003, 03:33 PM

Bone growth is possible, but most studies I've seen use 1 or 2 compounds not the casserole we have here.

I've seen hgh, test e, anavar and femara. All under medical supervision, not by an 18 year old that wants to be taller, the subjects had medical conditions.

Foxy and I have had this discussion before, he has some how decided that taking all or most of these drugs used in these studies, with the addition of a few others. To make some sort of super bone growth stack, that he has concocted. Because there's no medical study that I know of (if there is please post it) that would back this crazy stack of drug for bone growth with no side effects. This will shut down the hpta system, which shutting down for over 40 weeks at 18 or 19, is not the best choice to make in ones life.

He has the idea that more drugs means more growth, he forgets it means more sides also. He revelation or discovery on using multiple drugs for bone growth, falls in to the " if it's new it's not true, if it's true it's not new " category.

I don't understand how he thinks he has come up with this super bone growth stack that the medical community has missed, but he knows it's going to work with no medical research done on this.

I think his approach is wrong here, he's using mathematical calculation to get a medical solution. Adding a bunch of drugs together that have been shown to cause bone growth, then upping the doses and adding some and subtracting others to the mix, isn't very scientific or wise for that matter.

I'll give him this he sounds like a smart kid, but in this case i'm going to say to smart for his own good. You can be smart, but if you don't listen to wisdom, you can become a fool. No flame just fact, I know you like facts.

JohnnyB

**BDTR** · 11-04-2003, 03:37 PM

Johnny said it ALL.

**King Test** · 11-04-2003, 03:38 PM

Posted by buylongterm - Today at 12:47 AMMud, you DO NOT have to justify yourself to anyone on this board. All of us guys know your a respectful, knowledgable bro. Arguing with this guy is pointless. I for one would take your advice any day of the week. Just read his BIO. Enough said. He won't be on here long.

Take a look at your cycle diary - did you ever train naturally or have any resemblence of a fitness program? Didn't look like it. How can you criticize me when you used steroids for the worst reason? You probably didn't lift weights at all and jumped into steroid use for quick gains, didn't you? It's obvious you've been on here for years and have the dedication it takes, anyone taking advice from you would be analagous to someone taking advice from a mechanic with a broken car.

**slamd097** · 11-04-2003, 03:39 PM

ouch my head hurts from all of that Johnny!!!! HEY CALIPSO....thanks for all the help...i did stick around...i posted what my cycle will look like for the first run. I think you wil like it.

**Calipso** · 11-04-2003, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by slamd097

ouch my head hurts from all of that Johnny!!!! HEY CALIPSO....thanks for all the help...i did stick around...i posted what my cycle will look like for the first run. I think you wil like it.

Slamd you finally lost the newbie title.

I'll make sure to check out your cycle diary. I got mine up, pics will be taken in a week or two.

**Calipso** · 11-04-2003, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by King Test

Posted by buylongterm - Today at 12:47 AMMud, you DO NOT have to justify yourself to anyone on this board. All of us guys know your a respectful, knowledgable bro. Arguing with this guy is pointless. I for one would take your advice any day of the week. Just read his BIO. Enough said. He won't be on here long.

Take a look at your cycle diary - did you ever train naturally or have any resemblence of a fitness program? Didn't look like it. How can you criticize me when you used steroids for the worst reason? You probably didn't lift weights at all and jumped into steroid use for quick gains, didn't you? It's obvious you've been on here for years and have the dedication it takes, anyone taking advice from you would be analagous to someone taking advice from a mechanic with a broken car.

Can we all just like calm down for a bit and put the fina down?

Just call a truce and then go kill a homeless bum. You'll feel better, I know I always do.

**King Test** · 11-04-2003, 03:51 PM

BTW Calipso I worked out with Scott Steiner, the guys shredded and pretty cool too.

**slamd097** · 11-04-2003, 03:52 PM

LMFAO!!!!! Awesome...i just got a warm fuzzy...

I am also going to take a lot of pics. I think the Bros here are going to be impressed.

wow, im going home to PARTY!!! (Honey break out viagra!!)

**Calipso** · 11-04-2003, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by King Test

BTW Calipso I worked out with Scott Steiner, the guys shredded and pretty cool too.

Got any proof?

I've met his brother and as dumb as rick steiner looks, he's a big bulky mofo too.

**King Test** · 11-04-2003, 04:00 PM

Well, seeing as how I normally don't bring a camera to the gym, I don't have any proof. I shouldn't need any. But it's not hard to understand - he came to town for wrestling, and was lifting the afternoon before the event at my Golds. Saw him, spotted him, talked, and lifted. Said later, he said later, that was that.

**motoxxxguy** · 11-04-2003, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Find me a Dr. who would even prescribe EQ?

I'm trying to picture a doc writing a 'script for EQ, but telling the patient they will ahve to have it filled at a vet!

Here's another thought about Foxy's "growth cycle"...If the purpose of this is to grow before your growth plates close, why are you waiting? By the time you save enough money to finance this outrageously expensive debachal(sp), your plates will have closed and you'll probably be about 24 years old. I have doubts that this cycle will ever take place. It seems like more of an exercise in thought and disscussion than anything else. I didn't want to post my thoughts on this and bring this idea up again, but since it's already back on the table...

-moto

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-04-2003, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by King Test

Posted by buylongterm - Today at 12:47 AMMud, you DO NOT have to justify yourself to anyone on this board. All of us guys know your a respectful, knowledgable bro. Arguing with this guy is pointless. I for one would take your advice any day of the week. Just read his BIO. Enough said. He won't be on here long.

Take a look at your cycle diary - did you ever train naturally or have any resemblence of a fitness program? Didn't look like it. How can you criticize me when you used steroids for the worst reason? You probably didn't lift weights at all and jumped into steroid use for quick gains, didn't you? It's obvious you've been on here for years and have the dedication it takes, anyone taking advice from you would be analagous to someone taking advice from a mechanic with a broken car.

Sorry pal, your wrong. You can look through my cycle history. You won't find to many guys saying it's a bad cycle. Thats what it's all about. I admitted jumping in to early, but NOT without the lack of knowledge, or training program. See, when I came to this board, I thought I had the right cycle in hand. I DIDN'T. But I didn't come on here disrespecting anyone. PERIOD. I slowed down and listen to these guys and not only did a correct cycle, I did a LOW dose cycle. I took the time to do research. Anyone on this board who knows me, respects me. THATS A FACT. I do NOT have to answer to you. I don't go shooting off my mouth like some tough guy. Look at your profile. It's a joke. I can tell you one thing, I have better things to do then to argue with you. You have already given the board a bad name.

Let us all know why your here? You have all the answers?

**Calipso** · 11-04-2003, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Sorry pal, your wrong. You can look through my cycle history. You won't find to many guys saying it's a bad cycle. Thats what it's all about. I admitted jumping in to early, but NOT without the lack of knowledge, or training program. See, when I came to this board, I thought I had the right cycle in hand. I DIDN'T. But I didn't come on here disrespecting anyone. PERIOD. I slowed down and listen to these guys and not only did a correct cycle, I did a LOW dose cycle. I took the time to do research. Anyone on this board who knows me, respects me. THATS A FACT. I do NOT have to answer to you. I don't go shooting off my mouth like some tough guy. Look at your profile. It's a joke. I can tell you one thing, I have better things to do then to argue with you. You have already given the board a bad name.

Let us all know why your here? You have all the answers?

Hehehe you said PERIOD.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-04-2003, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Calipso

Hehehe you said PERIOD.

I thought that would turn you on!!!!!

**Carlos_E** · 11-04-2003, 06:57 PM

The guy who posted this is 19.

http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulle...threadid=35824

**Powerful Beast** · 11-04-2003, 07:04 PM

Carlos, Lol I never took fina/test prop in my life. I am 18 years old. I was on Test enan 500 mg weekly, deca 300 mg weekly, and dbol 35 mg ED for 2 or so weeks, then I stopped thanks to u bros

But that is one hell of a scary story on that thread link..BUMP that for the teens to read..Damn thats one messed up story. Hopefully I dont got those symptoms that he faced, I guess we'll see in a few weeks post cycle therapy huh?

**Carlos_E** · 11-04-2003, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Powerful Beast

Carlos, Lol I never took fina/test prop in my life. I am 18 years old. I was on Test enan 500 mg weekly, deca 300 mg weekly, and dbol 35 mg ED for 2 or so weeks, then I stopped thanks to u bros

But that is one hell of a scary story on that thread link..BUMP that for the teens to read..Damn thats one messed up story. Hopefully I dont got those symptoms that he faced, I guess we'll see in a few weeks post cycle therapy huh?

The point is Mikeygas14 gambled juicing at a young age and lost. It's not worth the risk.

**Nailer** · 11-04-2003, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

The point is Mikeygas14 gambled juicing at a young age and lost. It's not worth the risk.

He also didnt run proper anti-e's and PCT. I think the age of this Mikeygas14 wasnt such a big of a factor in his loss as was his lack of knowledge and research.

**Powerful Beast** · 11-04-2003, 07:49 PM

I dont even think he took CLomid..he wasnt detailed enough on that was he? What did his post cycle PCT look like?

**King Test** · 11-04-2003, 10:38 PM

Sorry pal, your wrong. You can look through my cycle history. You won't find to many guys saying it's a bad cycle. Thats what it's all about. I admitted jumping in to early, but NOT without the lack of knowledge, or training program. See, when I came to this board, I thought I had the right cycle in hand. I DIDN'T. But I didn't come on here disrespecting anyone. PERIOD. I slowed down and listen to these guys and not only did a correct cycle, I did a LOW dose cycle. I took the time to do research. Anyone on this board who knows me, respects me. THATS A FACT. I do NOT have to answer to you. I don't go shooting off my mouth like some tough guy. Look at your profile. It's a joke. I can tell you one thing, I have better things to do then to argue with you. You have already given the board a bad name.

Let us all know why your here? You have all the answers?

My profiles a joke? Well, I guess if that's worth mentioning then BDTR really does have jaundice, huh? I have plenty of answers, many of which entail advice to people who need answers, young or old. One thing I always hated was little scrawny guys using steroids .

So when you needed advice, what if everyone said, "no, your too small, stay natural, blah blah"? You'd be stuck with that shitty cycle. But people stepped up and realized that regardless of circumstances, the person inquiring needs help, and that they should do your best to aid them. So you got your help. And it 'changed your life'.

So now this kid needs help and you're judging him. Enough said?

**octagon** · 11-04-2003, 11:51 PM

i have a tremendous amount of respect for fox's intelligence and thorough research...when i found out he was only 18, i was blown away..i thought "this kid must be some kind of borderline genius, maybe the next great steroid guru"

that being said...i have to say that you're still very young, with the arrogance of youth. it's a time where its especially easy to fall in love with grand theories. as you get more experienced, you start to realize how few grand theories pass the reality test. it's always fun to plan "the ultimate cycle" and you've got some very interesting ideas in this one. but there is a huge amount of accumulated wisdom on this board and you should listen to some of their critiques, and tweak your program accordingly.

i don't have the vast experience some these guys have but here are a couple of things that jump right out at me.

more use of hcg - if you're going on a year long cycle, you should use hcg every periodically throughout your cycle, not just for pct. this will hopefully make it much easier on your body. a year long cycle is no joke.

**octagon** · 11-05-2003, 12:32 AM

also... 500mg equi, 500mg test..i know bdtr puts more than that in his morning coffe, but for a steroid virgin under 200lbs, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT SHIT WILL DO TO YOU? i hope to god you plan on ramping up to it. all these side effects you read about are REAL things that REALLY happen to people. they don't happen to everybody...but they do happen. regardless of what anyone tries to tell you...THIS SHIT IS DANGEROUS...we only make it safe by working very hard to educate and protect ourselves. why stress your body and blow your receptors when a first time user will get ENORMOUS using half these amounts.

**octagon** · 11-05-2003, 12:43 AM

all that being said, i'm looking forward to to fox's next informative and thought provoking post. and BTW... in defense of what he said about being under a doctors care...he never said the doc was PRESCRIBING this stuff to him, only that the doc was supervising him. if u do 15 minutes of research on the net you can find a doctor (who specializes in steroids ) that will have your local labs sent to him, and will monitor your lipid/liver/etc values in the interests of your health. he refuses to prescribe steroids, but he will do his best to keep you healthy while you're on them. if if you told him u wanted to inject donkey dung eod, he would still supervise your cycle and do his best to keep u healthy

**Ntpadude** · 11-05-2003, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by Calipso

I got a big ego (For reasons unknown) but my safety and my testicles are more important then the juice.

I'm glad u waited and stuck around. Gaining naturally is a bitch and takes so long. Guess if you want to get buff, it's the price you pay.

OK So now you are getting buff, have the balls fallen off yet?

So when do you start getting this ball shrinkage and reduced cum? Am i different because I had naturally low testosterone before this cycle but my balls are no where near shrinking at week #5, I'd almost dare say they got bigger and my cum production has never been so heavy... I'd dare say except for an itchy nipple which got promptly treated with nolva, all my sides have been more like I am turning more into a normal healthy person with no bad sides. It looks like I dont have to worry about loosing my hair, yeah!

**RC_0891** · 11-05-2003, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Ntpadude

OK So now you are getting buff, have the balls fallen off yet?

So when do you start getting this ball shrinkage and reduced cum? Am i different because I had naturally low testosterone before this cycle but my balls are no where near shrinking at week #5, I'd almost dare say they got bigger and my cum production has never been so heavy... I'd dare say except for an itchy nipple which got promptly treated with nolva, all my sides have been more like I am turning more into a normal healthy person with no bad sides. It looks like I dont have to worry about loosing my hair, yeah!

What does your balls not shrinking have to do with hair loss?
answer:
Nothing. Invest in rogaine shampoo, its cheap as hell at wal mart. dont be arrogant, then you will certainly get burned. Common sense bro, follow through with therapies to help diminish sides, even if "you dont get them"

RC

**Foxy Sphinx** · 11-05-2003, 03:16 AM

Octagon is correct about the doctor, hes obviously not prescribing, just hoping to get 'off the record' blood work to help me watch for anything bad occuring.

Where to start.

The cycle plan I wrote was done in under 1 minute. That is only the very very simple explanation of it.

Im currently waiting on some letrozole in the mail to begin pre-treatment letro therapy to greatly slow my bone age maturity. This will allow me more time to do what I will be doing next, which is a introductory and stepping up segment. I will be starting with adding testosterone in after some time on Letro, i will start low, and work up to 500mg/wk, then I will add in some deca , and work that up as well, and so forth, until everything has been worked in. If I add something and notice a problem, Ill look for the best way to stop it, maybe Ill hafta drop the compound entirely, wont know till I get there.

Also, as I forgot to mention, was considering running 1,000iu shots of HCG every 2-4 weeks or so. As well, running finasteride. And as I forget to mention in the writeup as well, letrozole at 2.5mg/ed throughout the entire cycle until PCT.

This link carlos provided is the perfect example of what Im talking about, its not the age, its how you use your fucking head. This guy clearly was an idiot, most these side effects he experienced are easily controllable. Trust me, ive thought into every little nook and cranny possible in this cycle.

The purpose is bone growth, muscle growth, and fat loss, all simultaneously. Winny and Masteron are two compounds ive always been facinated with, so the addition of them nearing the end of the cycle will allow me to harden up and cut up my final bit before PCT, when im sure to undergo a crash of some kind. GH/IGF-1 mainly for bone growth, but also fatloss and muscle growth, slin for the triumvirate as well, advanced mineral/vitamin complexs, EQ for insane hunger (I want to hit 600g protein in 24 hour spanse everyday -- I eat in my sleep literally), test for muscle and its possible (yet not well understood by science) effects on bone growth (most likely via aromatase).

I will most likely have HPTA shut down, HGH/IGF-1 Axis shut down, heart enlargement, and possibly thyroid shut down (although BDTR's thyoid theories intrigue me). As well as the obvious site injection side effects (BA bumps, etc), and androgenic sides -- however im confident I can keep them to a minimum.

Johhny B, you make my idea sound so simple, because you have no clue of the research behind it. Im still working on one insanely in-depth diagram of the cycle which explains what im doing in a very scientific yet understandable way. You make it seem as if all my ideas are merely based on one or two studies that suggest possible applications. But in all honesty ive researched not just into studies, but puberty, endocrinology, physiology, molecular biology, osteogenesis, chondrogenesis, endochondral ossification, intramemberous ossification, autocrine/paracrine, nueral transcriptions, nuerotransmitters, gigantism, acromegaly, steroidology (as I like to call it)... my god I need a life.

Octagon, risk:reward

-- wouldnt it be nice for all our theories to pan out just the way we plan.

***50%Natural*** · 11-05-2003, 03:27 AM

Foxy Sphinx, I would dearly like to know what you look like now. I am not doubting any of the knowledge you claim to have or talk about but I would like to know what size this knowledge has brought you so far. I would hope that you have some sort of training background so that this knowledge you claim is not just some excuse to turn a skinny science nerd into a Mr. O competator. I am not saying anything that should offend you but I am asking what kind of training you have in a previous, unscientific, oriented life.

**Carlos_E** · 11-05-2003, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Foxy Sphinx

This link carlos provided is the perfect example of what Im talking about, its not the age, its how you use your fucking head. This guy clearly was an idiot, most these side effects he experienced are easily controllable. Trust me, ive thought into every little nook and cranny possible in this cycle.

And you should be counted among the idiots for wanting to run the garbage you posted earlier as your first cycle. But you're 18, you know everything so I should just sit back, shut up and let you make your own mistakes. Just don't come here asking for help when you're lactating and your hair is falling out.

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-05-2003, 04:08 AM

foxy, post before and after pics of this cycle

**100%NATURAL-theGH** · 11-05-2003, 06:20 AM

Hey I'm 19 and I have been concidering using... what's wrong with it??? j/k lol.. but really you guys have scared the begeezes outta me and I am definetly concidering postponing my upcoming cycle until I can completely understand what the big deal is... And the person that made the comment about younger people not having the knowledge as far as training and nutrition goes... thats bull cuz my training and diet are on point...

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-05-2003, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by 100%NATURAL-theGH

Hey I'm 19 and I have been concidering using... what's wrong with it??? j/k lol.. but really you guys have scared the begeezes outta me and I am definetly concidering postponing my upcoming cycle until I can completely understand what the big deal is... And the person that made the comment about younger people not having the knowledge as far as training and nutrition goes... thats bull cuz my training and diet are on point...

good deal man, hang around for awhile and soak in the info...grow as much as you can naturally, then consider AS

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-05-2003, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by King Test

My profiles a joke? Well, I guess if that's worth mentioning then BDTR really does have jaundice, huh? I have plenty of answers, many of which entail advice to people who need answers, young or old. One thing I always hated was little scrawny guys using steroids .

So when you needed advice, what if everyone said, "no, your too small, stay natural, blah blah"? You'd be stuck with that shitty cycle. But people stepped up and realized that regardless of circumstances, the person inquiring needs help, and that they should do your best to aid them. So you got your help. And it 'changed your life'.

So now this kid needs help and you're judging him. Enough said?

OK this is the last time I waste my time with you. Now, please don't compare yourself to BDTR. He is one of the most respected guys on the board. Though we all know he does crazy cycles, HE NEVER preaches those cycles on anyone. He gives out sound advise. Now you want to compare profiles? BDTR BIO explains what he has done. So, he makes a joke about Jaundice. Unless someone is retarded, everyone knows its a joke. Now, Lets take a look at yours.

Test is GOD!
Location Coursing through your veins, I bleed the Test you inject!
Interests Test, Anadrol , MMA, Axe Throwing, Chess
Occupation Getting as big as fucking possible
Bodybuilding Knowledge Who gives a fuck? Where's my syringe...
Cycle Experience It would take more space than you can provide...
Bodybuilding Competitions Fuck bodybuilding, and fuck you!

If one was to take a look at it, who would take your advise seriously when your basically telling someone to fuck off? Once again the point of this BOARD is to help others out. You might have a different opinion than someone, and thats fine, but you constantly want to argue with everyone. Stir up trouble. This is not what the board is all about. Its about respecting everyone.

And yes if the kid needs help at the age of 18, the best help to give him is SAFE advice. AND just about all VETS/MODS on this board would tell him not to do AS at his age.