What's the worst that can happen if you don't aspirate?

**johnsomebody** · 10-31-2003, 11:19 PM

Hey bros,

I recall reading that it was important to aspirate and after searching around as to why I found this post by a dude who I assume is a doctor at Steroidology -he was responding to someone asking why he choked after injecting...

"You're describing what I just mentioned in my previous post: a pulmonary oil embolus. You had a generalized, reactive pulmonary vasoconstriction, with an acute increase in pulmonary vascular resistance, putting a huge (but temporary) strain on the right ventricle of the heart. In someone with heart disease or a congenital defect, this could result in an AMI (heart attack). Probably experienced some secondary pulmonary edema, too (fluid in the alveoli or air sacs, hence the shortness of breath).
I hope everyone sees your post; this is nothing to fuck around with when you're injecting oils!! Aspirate, and then don't move it around while injecting."

This kinda put the fear in me but now I'm hearing this is BS and nobody's ever gonna die from injecting into a vein, even with an existing condition.
The crazy thing is, when I've searched for "aspiration" or "aspirate" I have trouble even finding the term anywhere except on sites like AR. It's like the medical field doesn't even use it.

So the question again is, what's the worst that can happen if you inject, say, 2 ccs of oil directly into a vein? Why bother to aspirate at all?
Any medical people out there?

**TheMudMan** · 10-31-2003, 11:23 PM

You can become dizzy, light headed, uncontrollable cough, pass out............... I just don't understand why people don't aspirate ..... it takes 2 seconds to see if your in a vein or not to avoid some problems.

**Red Ketchup** · 10-31-2003, 11:36 PM

Bro, I ain't no doctor... shiet I don't even play one on TV

but I've injected tren too close to a vein once (pin went thru and some juice seeped back in, or I his capillaries big time) and that was enough for me.

Felt like I was going to freakin' die. Got all clammy, hot flash from hell, sweat like a pig, sick to my stomach, heart rate shot thru the roof and I was about to pass out. Lasted a few minutes and I did have to lie down 'till it passed.

Just aspirate bro... it's easy. Will not do it kill you? I dunno, and honestly I never want to find out.

Red

**raw12** · 11-01-2003, 12:06 AM

the wortst thing that can happen is you will die

**Calipso** · 11-01-2003, 12:11 AM

Aspirating takes like 5 seconds tops. Why not do it?

**johnsomebody** · 11-01-2003, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by raw12

the worst thing that can happen is you will die

Well, that's what I'd heard but here's a quote by someone at AR who says he's a doc...

"injecting anabolic steroids into a peripheral artery won't kill you. i don't care what you've heard and i'm not guessing like most of the people on this thread. i am and MD and i wonder if the so-called doc that told you this really went to medical school or if you're just making it up. i hate threads like this b/c it just spreads misinformation and serves to make people afraid."

That's kind why I started this thread -which one is it?

***Mr. Sparkle*** · 11-01-2003, 12:49 AM

so when the plunger is pulled back what are you supposed to see? i know that blood is bad and its time to try a new place, but what happens if its not on a vein?

**PurePower** · 11-01-2003, 01:23 AM

the Doc said that "injecting anabolic steroids into a peripheral artery won't kill you" but it will cause some problems that have already been mentioned. Like dizzy, light headed, uncontrollable cough, pass out not fun stuff, but should/can be avoided.

**J*U*icEd** · 11-01-2003, 02:01 AM

i never even knew the dangers of this but even from the beggining i pulled back....come on now guys this takes about 2 seconds to do....id rather take 2 seconds out of my busy schedule then have the possibility of passin out....

**Xavier_4446** · 11-01-2003, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle

what happens if its not on a vein?

You'll just get a bubble if your in the muscle that will go back in once you have aspirated.

I have been doing injection for about a week now and when I aspirated I got a tiny amount of blood in the syringe and pulled out slowly. It is good that your researching this because it can only lead to problems (i'm sure) if you do hit a vein.

**johnsomebody** · 11-01-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by PurePower

the Doc said that "injecting anabolic steroids into a peripheral artery won't kill you" but it will cause some problems that have already been mentioned. Like dizzy, light headed, uncontrollable cough, pass out not fun stuff, but should/can be avoided.

That makes sense.

So at least from the quotes by the doctors(?) above, it's not possible to drop dead UNLESS you've got a pre-existant heart condition, like the guy in my first post says. Otherwise the worst you could do is maybe pass out.

**Da Bull** · 11-01-2003, 01:07 PM

Question is..if you pass out while coughing,could you suffocate?

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-01-2003, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

Question is..if you pass out while coughing,could you suffocate?

damn that's deep man

***Mr. Sparkle*** · 11-01-2003, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

Question is..if you pass out while coughing,could you suffocate?

I feel that it is possible, but probably very unlikely.

**LightWeightBaby** · 11-01-2003, 01:43 PM

I do not think you will pass out while coughing you will suffocate remember your airway is still open the only way i see yourself suffocating was if you were injecting while having a plastic bag over your head.

**punk_bbuilder** · 11-01-2003, 01:47 PM

Yes its possible to suffocate.....Not because of a blocked air passage but of a blocked pulmonary vein. Back to the embolism theory. Just Aspirate for gods sake its not that F*cking hard to do.

**Grant** · 11-01-2003, 01:50 PM

i don't think the guy who started this thread said he wasn't going to aspirate , he just raised a question

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-01-2003, 01:53 PM

it's very difficult for me to aspirate in the glutes

**Calipso** · 11-01-2003, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by asymmetrical1

it's very difficult for me to aspirate in the glutes

I can imagine. How the hell you gonna do it yourself?

**Grant** · 11-01-2003, 02:00 PM

you pry back with your thumb

**BASK8KACE** · 11-01-2003, 02:10 PM

If you shoot into a vein, you run the risk of shooting air into it (tiny air bubbles), which can kill you--at least cause serious complications.

Are you asking this question because you're trying to decide whether or not you're going to aspirate from now on? If that's your reasoning, I'd suggest just taking the extra 10 seconds to aspirate. It will save you a lot of trouble in the long run.

**LightWeightBaby** · 11-01-2003, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Calipso

I can imagine. How the hell you gonna do it yourself?

I only do glute injection I have no trouble shooting and aspirating with one hand.

**BASK8KACE** · 11-01-2003, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by LightWeightBaby

I only do glute injection I have no trouble shooting and aspirating with one hand.

Same here--so far only glute injections. If you shoot in the Gluteus Medius (as opposed to the Maximus), you should be able to twist around and hold the syringe with one hand while pulling back on the plunger with the other.

If you want to know how to find the Gluteus Medius, look at the following post titled "Glute Shots (Useful Information)." Here's the link:

http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...ghlight=inject

**Calipso** · 11-01-2003, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Grant

you pry back with your thumb

No, I know how to apsirate.

I'm talking about the diffculty of doing it during a glute injection. I'd do a glute injection but hell I have a hard time getting my arms back there to even scratch my back.

I'm gonna try a glute injection on monday and hopefully it won't be too difficult.

**Calipso** · 11-01-2003, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by BASK8KACE

Same here--so far only glute injections. If you shoot in the Gluteus Medius (as opposed to the Maximus), you should be able to twist around and hold the syringe with one hand while pulling back on the plunger with the other.

If you want to know how to find the Gluteus Medius, look at the following post titled "Glute Shots (Useful Information)." Here's the link:

http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...ghlight=inject

Good post, thanks.

spotinjections.com doesn't give full detail of glute shots.

**Grant** · 11-01-2003, 04:15 PM

[QUOTE=Calipso]No, I know how to apsirate.

I'm talking about the diffculty of doing it during a glute injection. )

So am I

**Da Bull** · 11-01-2003, 04:32 PM

[QUOTE=Grant]

Originally Posted by Calipso

No, I know how to apsirate.

I'm talking about the diffculty of doing it during a glute injection. )

So am I

Me also,that's why I stick with the Quads and Delts......guess we're all a bunch of fat asses here huh J/K lol

**alpineslide** · 11-01-2003, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by LightWeightBaby

the only way i see yourself suffocating was if you were injecting while having a plastic bag over your head.

Note to self....don't inject with a plastic bag over my head anymore. Is a paper bag ok ?

**Grant** · 11-01-2003, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by alpineslide

Note to self....don't inject with a plastic bag over my head anymore. Is a paper bag ok ?

or your choice of a biodegradable product

**johnsomebody** · 11-01-2003, 05:49 PM

Hey guys, thanks for the input.

I wasn't planning on not aspirating, I just got into a side discussion over on another thread about he possibility of dying from an injection.
The possiblity came up since the dude dropped dead while injecting gear. (Sadly, a friend of BLT- the thread's still around.)
He apparently died of an anyeurism (if I spelled that right). I THOUGHT I'd read somewhere that you can get an anyeurism from injecting oil into a vein, but I can't find it now.

I will admit that if it's impossible to drop dead from NOT aspirating, I'll be a lot less worried next time I do gear.

**roofer** · 11-01-2003, 06:37 PM

you certainly can die from injecting in a vein.

**Da Bull** · 11-01-2003, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by roofer

you certainly can die from injecting in a vein.

Artery........and it takes 3cc....read more before you post assine comments like this

**roofer** · 11-01-2003, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

Artery........and it takes 3cc....read more before you post assine comments like this

i guess im so fucking stupid for saying vein instead of artery. so godamned assinine of me. Sorry i didnt say 3ccs but the fucking point was you can die whether its 3ccs or 50ccs. but thanks for letting me know how fucking stupid I am.

**Da Bull** · 11-01-2003, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by roofer

i guess im so fucking stupid for saying vein instead of artery. so godamned assinine of me. Sorry i didnt say 3ccs but the fucking point was you can die whether its 3ccs or 50ccs. but thanks for letting me know how fucking stupid I am.

No worries bro.......very impressive Bio by the way

**roofer** · 11-01-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

No worries bro.......very impressive Bio by the way

well im not really here to impress people but i guess some people really need attention though.

**johnsomebody** · 11-01-2003, 09:21 PM

This always happens when I ask about aspiration.
What is it about this subject?

Can anybody give some kind of documentation/link showing how or where somebody actually died? Or explaining how it's possible?

I mean a reliable medical kind of source.

**TheMudMan** · 11-01-2003, 09:27 PM

I've never heard of someone dying from not aspirating......... I have friends that never aspirate and are still alive......... The safest thing would be to do it......... if not for dying I wouldn't want the other complications from injecting into a vein.

**D-Roc** · 11-01-2003, 09:36 PM

My buddy never used to aspirate till he met me. He did however forget once and he said he passed out and it was real scary. I wouldn't mess with it

**Go Time** · 11-01-2003, 11:57 PM

I have done nothing but glute injections this entire cycle, and I have no trouble aspirating everytime, a bit awkward at first, but you get used to it.

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 11-02-2003, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by roofer

you certainly can die from injecting in a vein.

The Ding Bat that I first started using with knew nothing about aspiration, therefore neither of us did for 2-3 years, nothing ever happened with the exception of a 2 minute Heart pounding, heavy breathing, sweat pouring, freakout session. Then I met a guy that thought I should be dead if I'd been injecting for 2-3 years without aspirating!
Personally, simply from experience and nothing more, I don't believe you could die unless you already had a weakness due to a serious existing problem.
However, I do it and always will just in case, why take a chance?
I saw a post here recently from a guy doing what a friend of mine used to do, shoot 1, 2, or 3 cc's (of air) into a sheep, goat, cow whatever, just to see the limit, he never really found it. He shot 4cc's into a sheep once and it did the Fish on the ground for a while, but then it got up and ran away, that pretty much took the fear out of me, but like I said, I still do it.