first cycle help

**kahn** · 11-06-2003, 05:25 PM

Ok let me give u my stats really quick. 58' 170 12-15%bf. 21 yrs old. I've been working out for a few years now and have though about AS before, but decided to wait til i'm 21 which i am now. my goal is to bulk up then cut. This is what i roughly have in mind.

week 1-10 EQ 400mg/wk
week 2-11 test e. 500mg/wk
week 5-11 winny ?/wk
week 13 start pct
week 1-11 nolva 10mg ed
nolva - 20mg ed during pct
Now i was thinkin of maybe throwing some dbol in there or liquidex or something. This is a pretty vague outline, but if u could help me fill in the blanks or set me straight on something, i would really apprecitate it.
thanx

**kahn** · 11-06-2003, 05:30 PM

And one more question to go along with that. Should i take winny in the pill or shot form? thanx

**TheMudMan** · 11-06-2003, 05:32 PM

You don't need that many compounds in your first cycle. EQ should be ran minimum of 12 weeks to see results. Out of the EQ and Winny I would drop the winny.

week 1-12 EQ 400mg/wk
week 1-13 test e. 500mg/wk
week 1-15 nolva 10mg ed
Start PCT 3 weeks after last injection of EQ

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2 - 11 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 12 - 21 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva

**Nailer** · 11-06-2003, 05:33 PM

Cant bulk and cut at same time. IMO I would bulk and then cut, but some people like to cut and then bulk from their lean muscle. Your choice.

**DADDYDBOL** · 11-06-2003, 05:38 PM

Just to add to Mudman's post, throw 35-40mgs of dianbol in the first 3 weeks to "jumpstart" you. All else looks good.

**OTC** · 11-06-2003, 05:46 PM

I think orals would be better for a second cycle, especially considering that he is already running a few compounds in this one already, and I think many will support me on this. Heck, you probobly don't even need the EQ, and just run 500mg of a long acting test like you already are planning, and like Mudman said, don't forget clomid.
-OTC

**DocHoliday** · 11-06-2003, 05:52 PM

Well, no one's addressed teh issue of you discontinuing your Nolva...DON'T.

Run nolva the entire time until PCT is finished.

**TheMudMan** · 11-06-2003, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by DocHoliday

Well, no one's addressed teh issue of you discontinuing your Nolva...DON'T.

Run nolva the entire time until PCT is finished.

I have it so he's running nolva from day 1 till PCT ends........... I could be reading it wrong I'm tired as hell

**DADDYDBOL** · 11-06-2003, 06:04 PM

The time it is going to take for the test and eq to kick in will be about 3 weeks give or take a couple of days so I would like to see something sooner. 35mgs of dbol is not going to hurt anybody, all it will do is give him a jump on the test an eq. I love the effect of dbol and start all my cycles with that or anadrol .

**DocHoliday** · 11-06-2003, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

I have it so he's running nolva from day 1 till PCT ends........... I could be reading it wrong I'm tired as hell

4 years of college, congrats Doc....shithead.

LOL

**kahn** · 11-06-2003, 07:05 PM

ok, so u guys are saying to run the nolva from day 1 to the last day of pct?

**kahn** · 11-06-2003, 07:07 PM

one more question, how should i split up the injections?

**TheMudMan** · 11-07-2003, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by kahn

one more question, how should i split up the injections?

you will be fine injecting 2 x a weeks. Mon and Thur........ and yes you can mix the EQ and Enan in the same syringe.

**kahn** · 11-07-2003, 01:44 PM

you guys rock, thanx a lot for the info

**DocHoliday** · 11-07-2003, 01:48 PM

Kahn, check the member cycle results forum. I'm running an enanthate and eq cycle. I do Sunday and Wed injections 250mg enanthate + 200mg of eq mixed on sunday and wed.

Doc