cycle critique

[cpt steele]

I am still working on the complete protocol.

1-8 50mgdbol
1-8 700mg test en
1-12 400mg deca
8-18 100mg prop eod
8-18 75mg tren eod
8-18 5omg winni ed (oral)
16-20 clen
16-20 50mg prov

Post cycle
day 1-10 clo 100mg
10-15 clo 50mg

My diet is as follows

I have figured my cals from my bm weight which is 183 (210 @ 12.8%) so anyway 3662 cal per day. 2grams of protien per lb 1.5 grams of low glycemic carbs per lb ( except 2hrs after training all carbs high in simple sugars like oj with whey or something). Still working on getting the rest of my diet locked in. I am looking to hit 215-220 @ 6-8%. Any suggestions please let me know.

[Pheedno]

Age, experience?

Couple of changes I'd make to that

[cpt steele]

oops sorry guys Im 28yrs old, 5yrs training, and my 4th cycle.

[Pheedno]

I am still working on the complete protocol.

1-8 50mgdbol
1-8 700mg test en
1-12 400mg deca
8-18 100mg prop eod
8-18 75mg tren eod
8-18 5omg winni ed (oral)
16-20 clen
16-20 50mg prov

Post cycle
day 1-10 clo 100mg
10-15 clo 50mg

My diet is as follows

I have figured my cals from my bm weight which is 183 (210 @ 12.8%) so anyway 3662 cal per day. 2grams of protien per lb 1.5 grams of low glycemic carbs per lb ( except 2hrs after training all carbs high in simple sugars like oj with whey or something). Still working on getting the rest of my diet locked in. I am looking to hit 215-220 @ 6-8%. Any suggestions please let me know.

Doesn't look too bad to me. I'd personally run the Prop all the way through and cut the Enan, but you can go how you have it if you want to save the scar tissue from more injects.

I will suggest running prop past all other compounds for 2wks. This is going to allow the tren and winny to exit the system and make recovery much easier. I run test past all my compounds now.

I'd run your prop at the same or higher dose than the tren(since your going 700mg on the Enan, might as well keep that up w/ 100mgED). This will help in alleviating most chances of prolactin increases, which not only can have some rather shitty sides(lower dopamine levels) leading to lethargy, but in rare instances, can create a progesterone-like compound which can create gyno symptoms.

I'd cut the winny to 6wks. Liver is going to be taking a toll any longer than that. If your getting frequent bio-chems, then you could play it by results, but I'd advise against it.

For the PCT, I'd use a Nolva/clomid combo
20mg of Nolva + 100mg of Clomid ED for 28 days. Might want to think about a couple of shots of HCG in wk10 500mcg on Mon/Tues. Might not need it, but 18wks is getting up there, especially with deca and tren in the cycle.

I'd also use 10mg of Nolva alongside your proviron . For estrogenic worries and for it's SERM benefits

[cpt steele]

what if I ran t enth all the way through, on the winni maybe start it on week 12?

[trimunex]

Well, I wish I could add something ... but I think Pheedno has it covered yet again.

I do have one question, have you run Dbol at 8 weeks before? The longest I've run it is 5 weeks and I'm curious if you get a 'diminishing returns' effect after 5 or 6 weeks.

[Pheedno]

I am still working on the complete protocol.

1-8 50mgdbol
1-8 700mg test en
1-12 400mg deca
8-18 100mg prop eod
8-18 75mg tren eod
8-18 5omg winni ed (oral)
16-20 clen
16-20 50mg prov
.

wk1-4 50mg dbol
wk1-18 700mg Enan
wk1-12 400mg Deca
wk8-18 75mg Tren ED
wk13-18 50mg winny ED
Clomid/Nolva 2wks after last Enan injection

[Pheedno]

Well, I wish I could add something ... but I think Pheedno has it covered yet again.

I do have one question, have you run Dbol at 8 weeks before? The longest I've run it is 5 weeks and I'm curious if you get a 'diminishing returns' effect after 5 or 6 weeks.

good catch trim, I just now noticed that

[cpt steele]

I have done 6wks at 40 but not 8wks. With the rough diet I outlined and cardio as part of my plan think my goal is realistic.

[cpt steele]

Pheedno thank you for your imput bro.