nolvadex AND clomid?

[highres604]

Would you guys recommend doing nolva and clomid post cycle?
Cycle: (not started)
6 wks
100mg prop EOD
50 mg Fina EOD

I have only done one cyle before this one and only did clomid for that one.
Also, been reading about people taking a bit of nolva throughout cycle. Would this be beneficial as the fina would carry heavy sides? I did get major acne in wk 9-10 from my first (test/deca) cycle. would like to avoid if possible.

thanks

[D3m3nt3d]

most people around now recommend both for PCT, didnt use to, but I was gone for a bit and now they do..but TheMudman knows his shit and he and Pheedno both I know will tell you do both PCT

[Billy_Bathgate]

I do the following:

300mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva for 10 days
50mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva for 10 days
20mg Nolva for 10 days

[TheMudMan]

I run low doses nolva and l-dex in my cycles...... nolva will not help with progestrogen related sides from fina because it's a anti-e. Progestrogen related gyno is rare but can happen so I would have on hand an anti-prolactin like bromo, dostenix (sp?), pergolide........... these will help if you start to lactate from the fina.

For PCT yes use both.......... Nolva will keep estrogen from rebounding......... rebounding estrogen will make recovering your HPTA harder.

I would change the cycle up a bit as well...........

1 - 10 Prop 75mg ED
1 - 8 Fina 50mg ED (I would run 75mg ED)
1 - 10 L-dex .25 ED
1 - 10 Nolva 10mg ED
Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2 - 14 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 15 - 30 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva

Running the Prop past the fina will make for a easier recovery. You could change the fina to week 3 - 10 but might make your recovery harder on you.

[D3m3nt3d]

I run low doses nolva and l-dex in my cycles...... nolva will not help with progestrogen related sides from fina because it's a anti-e. Progestrogen related gyno is rare but can happen so I would have on hand an anti-prolactin like bromo, dostenix (sp?), pergolide........... these will help if you start to lactate from the fina.

For PCT yes use both.......... Nolva will keep estrogen from rebounding......... rebounding estrogen will make recovering your HPTA harder.

I would change the cycle up a bit as well...........

1 - 10 Prop 75mg ED
1 - 8 Fina 50mg ED (I would run 75mg ED)
1 - 10 L-dex .25 ED
1 - 10 Nolva 10mg ED
Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2 - 14 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 15 - 30 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva

Running the Prop past the fina will make for a easier recovery. You could change the fina to week 3 - 10 but might make your recovery harder on you.

Told ya he used both

[TheMudMan]

Told ya he used both

I like Billy_Bathgate's idea on running nolva past PCT............... I do the same and I also start anti-e's a week before I start my cycles....

[D3m3nt3d]

I like Billy_Bathgate's idea on running nolva past PCT............... I do the same and I also start anti-e's a week before I start my cycles....

Why run the nolva past PCT bro? As far as starting anti-e's a week before thats probably not a bad idea at all.

[TheMudMan]

Why run the nolva past PCT bro? As far as starting anti-e's a week before thats probably not a bad idea at all.

In case HPTA is still a little weak there could be that rebound effect of estrogen..........

[D3m3nt3d]

In case HPTA is still a little weak there could be that rebound effect of estrogen..........

I gotcha...good call

[highres604]

I run low doses nolva and l-dex in my cycles...... nolva will not help with progestrogen related sides from fina because it's a anti-e. Progestrogen related gyno is rare but can happen so I would have on hand an anti-prolactin like bromo, dostenix (sp?), pergolide........... these will help if you start to lactate from the fina.

For PCT yes use both.......... Nolva will keep estrogen from rebounding......... rebounding estrogen will make recovering your HPTA harder.

I would change the cycle up a bit as well...........

1 - 10 Prop 75mg ED
1 - 8 Fina 50mg ED (I would run 75mg ED)
1 - 10 L-dex .25 ED
1 - 10 Nolva 10mg ED
Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2 - 14 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 15 - 30 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva

Running the Prop past the fina will make for a easier recovery. You could change the fina to week 3 - 10 but might make your recovery harder on you.

Ok, so I will get some nolva too. can't really tweak my cycle too much as I am limited as to what I have now. Also, EOD shots are already kinda scary, nevermind the ED!

So its gonna be
1-8 prop 100mg EOD
1-6 fina 50mg EOD
1-10 Nolva 10mg ED

PCT 3 days after prop
day 1 300mg clomid & 20mg Nolva
2-14 100mg clomid & 20mg Nolva
15-30 50mg clomid & 20mg Nolva


Thanks alot for the help guys.

[BDTR]

Those doses both need to be bumped a little btw. Atleast bump the fina to 75 eod.

[groverman1]

All good info, not to hi jack the thread but should I def pick up some bromo before my next cycle which will have some fina in it?

[TheMudMan]

All good info, not to hi jack the thread but should I def pick up some bromo before my next cycle which will have some fina in it?

To be safe I would keep it on hand.............. it rare that you will see a problem but I wouldn't want to be that rare case and not have somethhing to combat it with. JMO

[slamd097]

let me throw this question at the Bros...how long should you run nolva? My cycle is going to consist of d-bol, test eth, 250mg.

And also whit the belief of a good chance of gyno, would you recommend that I start it at the same time?

[TheMudMan]

I start anti-e's a week out from my cycle, then run them through the cycle, then use nolva and clomid PCT.

If you are prone to gyno I would also either use femera or l-dex.

[slamd097]

what would you recommend as a dosage for liquid ferm? I can get 30 cc and hope that would be enough for a cycle...

[highres604]

Those doses both need to be bumped a little btw. Atleast bump the fina to 75 eod.

Will it not be worth my while if I do not bump my dose of Tren to 75mg eod? Will I see any results from 50mg eod? Reason I ask is because I only have 20ml of 50mg/ml tren at my disposal. That is all the tren I can get my hands on at the moment.

Thanks

[hitmeoff]

Do this PCT program and you will never look at another one again:

This is my tried and true PCT program. I know its been discussed that HCG should be kept at below 1000IUs, but this program I (half way) designed is the best thing you can do for PCT...it works like magic:

- HCG 2 weeks before end of cycle 1500IUs 3 times a week
- HCG 1 week before end of cycle 1500IUs 3 times a week
- HCG First Week Post 1500IUs 2 times a week
- Standard Clomid Therapy:
Day 1: 300mg
Days 2-14: 100mgED
Days 15-28: 50mg ED
- Nolva 20mg ED for 4 weeks

If you wanna super charge your PCT add to the above:
- GH @ 2IUs (or whatever your at)
- Alternate 4 week cycles of Slin and IGF-1.
- EPO 60 x BW in KG for 2 weeks, maintain @ 20 x BW in KG for 4 more (start 2 weeks into post)

I just started the COMPLETE PCT course last sunday. THis is includes the standard HCG/Clo/Nolva program Ive used time and again, plus the GH and Slin, which Ive also used with GREAT success during PCT before. New additions are of course the IGF-1 LR3 which I start today, and the EPO that I start in 1 week.

Ive also been doing ALOT of reading lately on PGF2A and it seems to be a great drug (if you can deal with the sides) for use post cycle. I may throw in PGF2a into the mix and run it when I run slin, something like 2.5mg 2x-5x a day 4-5 days a week.