First cycle, Need your opinion!

**The_crippler** · 11-30-2003, 12:24 PM

Its like this. Iam a 26 years old guy, i have pumped iron and boxed in 10 years now. And i have had good results.Iam 5´7 and 162 pounds and pretty hard. But i have now decide to start doing some cycles to push my body a little bit harder. I have been reading alot about diffrent cycles.

i have decided to use sustanon .

this how iam going to do it:

week 1-12: 250mg sustanon 3x/wk
week 1-12: 25mg proviron ed
week 15-week 18 :300mg clomid day 1, 100mg days 2-10, 50mg days 10-20

What do you think? is it a good first cycle?Should i use oral steroids some weeks before the start of my susta cycle?

**HOLLYWOOD** · 11-30-2003, 12:37 PM

what kind of gains are you looking for ?are you still fighting ? i fight in underground illegal street fights over in like atlanta,detroit and cali and after i did a big bulk cycle i was slow as hell so it all depends what you're going for !

**strongweapon** · 11-30-2003, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by crosby7117

what kind of gains are you looking for ?are you still fighting ? i fight in underground illegal street fights over in like atlanta,detroit and cali and after i did a big bulk cycle i was slow as hell so it all depends what you're going for !

could be the fat from all the slin and carbs slowing you down

**HOLLYWOOD** · 11-30-2003, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by strongweapon

could be the fat from all the slin and carbs slowing you down

im 8% bodyfat you ****ing retard !

**The_crippler** · 11-30-2003, 12:56 PM

I am going for strength and muscle gains. i dont mind getting a little bit bulkier.

**HOLLYWOOD** · 11-30-2003, 01:16 PM

-test prop 1-15wks 100mg eod or 75mg/ed would probably be best
-Eq 1-15wks 400-600mg/wk
-fina 100mg/eod or 75mg/ed for 8weeks at beginning of cycle or last 8weeks of your cycle, i did it last 8weeks of my cycle so i had another kick half way through but i did my cycle for 21 weeks and fina for 10 weeks but 8 weeks is good its pretty toxic ! i know guys that do it at the beginning and blow up pretty good off this cycle !

**strongweapon** · 11-30-2003, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by crosby7117

im 8% bodyfat you ****ing retard !

YEAH--i knew that was coming--LMAO

i figured you were in descent shape i just couldnt pass up the insulin thing

PEACE

**loza** · 11-30-2003, 01:20 PM

you don't need much test for a first cycle to get good results, IMO 750mg a week is way too high. I'd run deca 400mg/wk and sust 250mg/wk; although i'd use test enth instead of sust.

**HOLLYWOOD** · 11-30-2003, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by strongweapon

YEAH--i knew that was coming--LMAO

i figured you were in descent shape i just couldnt pass up the insulin thing

PEACE

ya that was pretty good !

**HOLLYWOOD** · 11-30-2003, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by loza

you don't need much test for a first cycle to get good results, IMO 750mg a week is way too high. I'd run deca 400mg/wk and sust 250mg/wk; although i'd use test enth instead of sust.

i agree you dont need 750mg/wk of test for a first cycle around 500mg is more than enough but 250mg/wk isnt!! but loza y would you tell him to run sust and deca if he wants to stay lean ! he'll blow up like a water balloon !! especially with enth !

**Ntpadude** · 11-30-2003, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by loza

you don't need much test for a first cycle to get good results, IMO 750mg a week is way too high. I'd run deca 400mg/wk and sust 250mg/wk; although i'd use test enth instead of sust.

Thats about dumb... you should reverse the two... 250/300 mg deca and 500 mg week sust... supposed to keep the testosterone double the deca or you dicky-do wants to just shrink and never let you have sex while on steroid cycle.

BTW, 450 mg test enanthate and 250 mg deca got me from 161# to 182# real fast and my diet has varied between 4000 and 5000 calaries a day throughout. Maybe 60% of the days were 4000 calary, 40% at 5000 calary days.

**strongweapon** · 11-30-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by crosby7117

ya that was pretty good !

well anyway i am above 8% and dont use slin--so you win--J/K

if you like tren stay on---i used nonstop for about a year while i was going to school--working 40+ hours a week and still made gains---got up to 222--then dieted down til i could see my lymphnodes at around 200--around 2% with no negative sides---its a clean drug--no toxicity

but did come with insomnia and high levels of aggression--up there with dbol ---not for newbies

**HOLLYWOOD** · 11-30-2003, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by strongweapon

well anyway i am above 8% and dont use slin--so you win--J/K

if you like tren stay on---i used nonstop for about a year while i was going to school--working 40+ hours a week and still made gains---got up to 222--then dieted down til i could see my lymphnodes at around 200--around 2% with no negative sides---its a clean drug--no toxicity

but did come with insomnia and high levels of aggression--up there with dbol---not for newbies

if you like tren stay on---i used nonstop for about a year while i was going to school--working 40+ hours a week and still made gains

i bet your liver is doing awesome !

**strongweapon** · 11-30-2003, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by crosby7117

if you like tren stay on---i used nonstop for about a year while i was going to school--working 40+ hours a week and still made gains

i bet your liver is doing awesome !

except for a little point tenderness and that darn yellow tint to my eyes i seem to be doing fine--LOL

no probs there--look around the diff boards--perpetual cycles are pretty common

all the bigguns i know stay on year round--and tren is a favorite

i have searched the web far and wide--never seen 1 study documenting toxicity of tren

mostly used invitro to change the sex of test subjects--even during this especially fragile portion of the life cycle no devolepmental probs are noted anywhere---heck--most studies they used to use tren for they are now using Methyl Trienelone--which is methylated tren--about 100X as strong---dosage is in micrograms or smaller--but alas--no noted toxicity

**HOLLYWOOD** · 11-30-2003, 09:36 PM

my old training partner has liver damage he did 4 cycles of test and tren ! take from that what you will ! he found out after he was clean for 2 years !! IMO **** like that will catch up to you !