look at my cycle and should i add the winni tabs?

**Phillyboy1** · 12-12-2003, 06:04 PM

ok so im gonna be starting a cycle like this soon
weeks 1 - 5 58mg/eod of trenabol (british dragon)(not homebrew)
week 6 1000 I. U./eod hcg
weeks 1 - 10 400mg/wk EQ (british dragon)
week 11 day 1 200mg/day 1 100mg/ed the rest of the week clomid
week 12 50mg/ed clomid

yea yea i know the tren is a low dosage, but i wanna be safe, and am only looking for about 10 quailty pounds of muscle to be added. this can almost be looked at as a cutting cycle.

now i got a line on the winni tabs and im thinking of doing them after the tren, do you guys think this would be wise to do this? or they a waste?

weeks 6 - 10 50mg/ed winni tabs?

EDIT : im 23 years old, weigh right now between 180 - 185 pounds, did one cycle before which was:
weeks 1-8 500mg/wk sus 250
weeks 8 - 10 250 mg/wk sus 250
weeks 12 100mg/ed clomid
week 13 50 mg/ed clomid

work out 5 days a week, for the past 8 years or so. max bench is 345, max deadlift is 455 or so
now im not adding test to this, i hate it, i dont want any freaking bloat, i think it looks stupid, and i dont feel like looking all puffy faced and then loosing all the water when im done the cycle. to me its pointless to be super strong while on, and loosing it all when the cycle is done.

**cb25** · 12-12-2003, 06:16 PM

How about some stats first? Age, height, weight, bf, training experience, any previous cycles?

and i'll say it now to get it out of the way...you will be told to add test in - should be the base of any cycle, even a cutting cycle

**Phillyboy1** · 12-12-2003, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by cb25

How about some stats first? Age, height, weight, bf, training experience, any previous cycles?

and i'll say it now to get it out of the way...you will be told to add test in - should be the base of any cycle, even a cutting cycle

oh crap im sorry, i totally forgot about that crap, just added it

**cb25** · 12-12-2003, 06:22 PM

i meant add to the post, but i pulled your profile, so it's cool...

first off, i'm not totally sure what your cycle looks like - the second line looks like a typo, or week 6 is 1000 i.u of something...either way, i can't tell

i'll also tell you what you're about to hear from everyone else...test should be the base of any cycle, even a cutting cycle. Even if you decide to keep it to a lower dose (this is debatable, but OK IMO) you should add it in.

I'd like to see the eq at least 12 weeks - i had great results with 12 weeks.

and i don't have personal experience with tren , so i'll bump for that reply

i'd say no to the winny - but that's 'cause i didn't get too much from them - little hard on the hairline, and my joints, for that matter - the key to you cutting will be your diet, one way or the other...

**Phillyboy1** · 12-12-2003, 06:25 PM

oh i know about the diet, and as for hair line, haha, im bald, and i shave it twice a week. also when i did my first cycle i broke out bad on my back so i dont want that again either. so im trying to stay away from any test

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 12-13-2003, 02:38 AM

Test, can't imagine running w/o test, period.
If Acne is a problem, try Suspension or Prop, I usually don't break out at all on these two, even @ high doses.
Test makes everything else work better.
Oh, did I mention test?
Test.

**Phillyboy1** · 12-13-2003, 08:28 AM

ok thanks for the replies, but back to my question? do you think i should grab the winny tabs? and put them in there?

**bigsd67** · 12-13-2003, 08:34 AM

Personally i think winny wont do any good unless you are low enough in body fat. It will definately harden your muscles up, but so will the tren . I say use the money and get some Test Prop. Shoot it at 75mg ED and hit up some l-dex to counteract bloat and estrogen.

Also you wanna start the clomid two weeks after your last EQ shot.

**cpt steele** · 12-13-2003, 08:36 AM

I would skip the winny and get some prop abd maybe bump up the fina my .50

**Phillyboy1** · 12-13-2003, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by bigsd67

Also you wanna start the clomid two weeks after your last EQ shot.

ok thanks for the advise.
any more takers? lol

**scottninpo** · 12-13-2003, 08:44 AM

forget the winny, add prop or enth, you really should add test

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 12-13-2003, 01:23 PM

Prop/tren ....drop the winny.

**Phillyboy1** · 12-13-2003, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by TheSevnthWarrior

Prop/tren....drop the winny.

ok so the general consenses is that i dont need to do the winny with this cycle, right? ok that being said. the guy wants to sell me 100 50mg tabs for around $150. should i just grab them and hold on to them? or is that not a good price, and the winny tabs are a waste even at 100mg/ed dosage?

**steadygaining1** · 12-14-2003, 06:56 AM

Thats a real good price for 50mg, just amke sure it's not 5mg and your getting screwed. I have had good results with the winny at 50mg/ed, just run a little deca to keep the joints working.SG1

**Phillyboy1** · 12-14-2003, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by steadygaining1

Thats a real good price for 50mg, just amke sure it's not 5mg and your getting screwed. I have had good results with the winny at 50mg/ed, just run a little deca to keep the joints working.SG1

yeah there 50's ok so ill grab them just to save money later on, or just resell them