Clomid pre-cycle?

**Demon Deacon** · 12-23-2003, 03:35 PM

Ok heres the deal. I am ready to do my next cycle. But my last cycle was deca at amounts of 300, 600,900,1200,1200,1200,900,600,300mg/wk respectfully. I did no PCT. THe cycle ended at the beginning of june which gave me 7 months to recover. Should i take clomid pre-cycle just to be on the safe side with my natural test?

**KeyMastur** · 12-23-2003, 03:37 PM

****, why did you even do that much deca ??

**DADDYDBOL** · 12-23-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Demon Deacon

Ok heres the deal. I am ready to do my next cycle. But my last cycle was deca at amounts of 300, 600,900,1200,1200,1200,900,600,300mg/wk respectfully. I did no PCT. THe cycle ended at the beginning of june which gave me 7 months to recover. Should i take clomid pre-cycle just to be on the safe side with my natural test?

Wow, when was the last time you had some *****?

**toolman** · 12-23-2003, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by KeyMastur

****, why did you even do that much deca ??

Is it me or are we getting alot of Newbies on here that shoot insane amounts of gear?

**daWhoady** · 12-23-2003, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Demon Deacon

Ok heres the deal. I am ready to do my next cycle. But my last cycle was deca at amounts of 300, 600,900,1200,1200,1200,900,600,300mg/wk respectfully. I did no PCT. THe cycle ended at the beginning of june which gave me 7 months to recover. Should i take clomid pre-cycle just to be on the safe side with my natural test?

Don't even bother.

And like what DADDYDBOL said, was it even able to work? **** bro!

**monkeyjuice** · 12-23-2003, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by daWhoady

Don't even bother.

And like what DADDYDBOL said, was it even able to work? **** bro!

haha, wow... talk about a seroius case of deca dcik.... it probably took some seroius porn to get it up after that siht....

**Demon Deacon** · 12-23-2003, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by KeyMastur

****, why did you even do that much deca ??

I thought it was deca 100 and not 300 like it was

**Demon Deacon** · 12-23-2003, 05:00 PM

Any ways should i start off the next cycle with clomid or just jump into my cycle

**DADDYDBOL** · 12-23-2003, 05:04 PM

Bro we still can't believe you WANT to do another after what you went thru. Just start the next one with TEST at 500mgs a week (any single ester) and 10mgs nolva ed. Stay away from deca , I would throw in some eq at 300-400mgs a week. Good luck and if your girl is still around marry her, she will put up with anything.

**DADDYDBOL** · 12-23-2003, 05:05 PM

Oh yeh - do pct this time.

**Taejoon** · 12-23-2003, 05:07 PM

Jump right in man, head first, hell, I'd up the dosage to 2 grams of Deca a week, and while your at it why don't you throw some Fina in there as well, say about 200mg/day, just to balance things out a bit, that should get you real big and strong....

**Demon Deacon** · 12-23-2003, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by DADDYDBOL

Oh yeh - do pct this time.

LOL, yeah i will, no deca dick guys i was horny as hell. Deca dick came after the cycle though but just a little bit. I just broke up with the girl around that time so it didnt matter. I was going to do Test en 500mg/wk and deca at 300, but i have some eq i could do that if you really think i shouldnt do any more deca. I am not sure why you would say to stay away from it though.

**Demon Deacon** · 12-23-2003, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Taejoon

Jump right in man, head first, hell, I'd up the dosage to 2 grams of Deca a week, and while your at it why don't you throw some Fina in there as well, say about 200mg/day, just to balance things out a bit, that should get you real big and strong....

Ok sounds good any other ideas? j'k

**DADDYDBOL** · 12-23-2003, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Demon Deacon

LOL, yeah i will, no deca dick guys i was horny as hell. Deca dick came after the cycle though but just a little bit. I just broke up with the girl around that time so it didnt matter. I was going to do Test en 500mg/wk and deca at 300, but i have some eq i could do that if you really think i shouldnt do any more deca. I am not sure why you would say to stay away from it though.

Well your receptors aren't as "fresh" as they were so change the compound on them. Deca shuts you down so hard and imo doesn't give as good gains as eq or tren . Try it, did they have a sell on deca?

**Demon Deacon** · 12-23-2003, 05:15 PM

did they have a sell on deca ? what do you mean bro

**Musa** · 12-23-2003, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Demon Deacon

did they have a sell on deca? what do you mean bro

WHAT GAINS DID YOU HAVE FROM THAT CYCLE....?????DID YOU HAVE GYNO????THANKS

**toolman** · 12-23-2003, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Demon Deacon

Ok sounds good any other ideas? j'k

Demon, the problem you have now is that since you ran so much deca , running 300 now will be a waste. Listen to the guys and do 500 of test. However, before you do anything, you should absolutely have bloodwork done checking free test levels, etc.

**Demon Deacon** · 12-23-2003, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Musa

WHAT GAINS DID YOU HAVE FROM THAT CYCLE....?????DID YOU HAVE GYNO????THANKS

Gains 20+lbs. Gyno? Not a sing of it. No itching No lumps. Nothing. Lost 75%of the gains due to no PCT. I might have loss more.

**Demon Deacon** · 12-23-2003, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by toolman

Demon, the problem you have now is that since you ran so much deca, running 300 now will be a waste. Listen to the guys and do 500 of test. However, before you do anything, you should absolutely have bloodwork done checking free test levels, etc.

What kind of symptoms would I have if i had low free test. I feel exactly like i did pre cycle.

**Demon Deacon** · 12-23-2003, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by toolman

Demon, the problem you have now is that since you ran so much deca, running 300 now will be a waste. Listen to the guys and do 500 of test. However, before you do anything, you should absolutely have bloodwork done checking free test levels, etc.

I think i will wait until after my next cycle for that. Its been 7 months i feel fine. And i just got a new doctor and i already asked about my test levels and said there would be clinical symptoms and he would know. After my test/eq cycle i will get things checked by then i will have formed some kind of bond with the doc and he wont refuse care to me since i wont be a new patient then.

***Billy_Bathgate*** · 12-24-2003, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Demon Deacon

LOL, yeah i will, no deca dick guys i was horny as hell. Deca dick came after the cycle though but just a little bit. I just broke up with the girl around that time so it didnt matter. I was going to do Test en 500mg/wk and deca at 300, but i have some eq i could do that if you really think i shouldnt do any more deca. I am not sure why you would say to stay away from it though.

Run what you have suggested. Id go a good 10wks.

Run Clomid after this cycle, have nolva to either run (which I would) or have on hand in case you need it. You could do a little Clomid before this cycle. IT may help your recovery in the end as your total time shut down completely will have been reduced, but if you dont have at least 4-6wks for it, then Id skip it and just start the cycle.

If you liked the deca from last time, go for it. If you didnt, throw in the EQ.

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 12-24-2003, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by Taejoon

Jump right in man, head first, hell, I'd up the dosage to 2 grams of Deca a week, and while your at it why don't you throw some Fina in there as well, say about 200mg/day, just to balance things out a bit, that should get you real big and strong....

OMG I'm frickin' diein'!

**Demon Deacon** · 12-24-2003, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Peter North

If you arent sure about your levels why dont you just go to the doctor and have them checked to be sure?? It will only set you back about 2-3 days to get your results and then you can be sure that you are safe enough to once again start. and i hope you didnt really take that post with the 200mg/day of fina seriously. that would nearly be as dumb as the first cycle you ran. PN

No boss, i didnt take it serious. Thank you for the suggestion but i think i am going to do some clomid pre cycle and then jump into my normal cycle and then hit up the clomid again. Then i will have everything checked. If anything needs to be fixed the doc can do it then.

**toolman** · 12-24-2003, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Demon Deacon

No boss, i didnt take it serious. Thank you for the suggestion but i think i am going to do some clomid pre cycle and then jump into my normal cycle and then hit up the clomid again. Then i will have everything checked. If anything needs to be fixed the doc can do it then.

Demon:

First, you should always run bloodwork before AND after any cycle. That way you have a base to compare to. You have no way of knowing your test count, etc. Going on cycles without doing your bloodwork prior to and after is as stupid as running that first cycle you did. Second there is no need to run clomid before a cycle as it is a waste as you will be shutting down everything as soon as you start juicing. Save the pills in case you have to extend pct.

These are serious compounds my friend and you should always moniter what is happening to your body. That can't be done by how you feel as some changes are so gradual they can't be detected. You will only know through bloodwork. I, like most of the serious guys on here, run bloodwork before, durring and after each cycle. As an older guy in his late 30's, I realize my mortality.

Good luck!

**Demon Deacon** · 12-24-2003, 10:17 AM

Ok toolman i will take your advice. I had a physical done 2 weeks ago and everything was fine. But my test levels were not checked. I asked them to check them and the doc says I am young and there would be clinical problems if i had low test. I am in my early 20's. So i guess i will have to tell him i did a cycle in order for him to check my test levels. He is my new doctor do you think he would refuse care? Have you ever heard of a doctor refusing care to someone who uses steroids . Secondly When you go for bloodwork mid cycle what are you having him check? Since your natural levels will be shut down?

**legend** · 12-24-2003, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Billy_Bathgate

Run what you have suggested. Id go a good 10wks.

Run Clomid after this cycle, have nolva to either run (which I would) or have on hand in case you need it. You could do a little Clomid before this cycle. IT may help your recovery in the end as your total time shut down completely will have been reduced, but if you dont have at least 4-6wks for it, then Id skip it and just start the cycle.

If you liked the deca from last time, go for it. If you didnt, throw in the EQ.

the only guy in this post to make sense. i can not understand why so many guys tell everyone not to use deca . "oh man don't do it again" , "hey it shuts you down hard" or "you dick will not work". this is so ****ing stupid that it is laughable. this guy did a hell of alot of deca, with none of the sides you all cry about. i have said this 100 times already. deca has been in almost every cycle i ever done from 1985 till present. my dick works better then fine. i never got gyno, i never got deca dick. if your not prone to deca sides then you will not get then. my personal opinion...EQ sucks. it doesn't do half what deca does for me. **** the appetite. i eat close to 6000 calories everyday anyway. i can easily force feed myself another 1000 when i'm cycling. offer an opinion, thats all. the deca put 20+ lbs on him and his johnson worked fine, why the hell would you tell him to never use it again. he is obviously not prone to the sides. i say **** that EQ crap, do the deca again and this time throw in some test. and you MUST do pct. you can keep your test/deca at 500mg each. i would, although some may cry to keep test higher.if your unsure go 500/400. bro do not take anyones opinion as gospel. do what works for you. your one of the guys that can use deca and still get laid.deca is a great chemical IMO quite possibly the best out there. and if it works in a positive way, then do it again. i can see form your replies that your letting people talk you out of using it. it has to be your decision, but if it works i always stick with it. good luck

**Demon Deacon** · 12-24-2003, 05:41 PM

Legend,

Thanks man. Your right i didnt get any of the sides but what about my receptors being saturated? Its been 7 months now do you think they will be fine? I only have enough Deca to do 300 week with 500 test e a week. Or i could do 500 test e a week and 400 eq a week. I want to bulk and i know that deca is better than eq for that but i have a hard time eating all those calories so i think eq would be better for me in that aspect.

**toolman** · 12-24-2003, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Demon Deacon

Ok toolman i will take your advice. I had a physical done 2 weeks ago and everything was fine. But my test levels were not checked. I asked them to check them and the doc says I am young and there would be clinical problems if i had low test. I am in my early 20's. So i guess i will have to tell him i did a cycle in order for him to check my test levels. He is my new doctor do you think he would refuse care? Have you ever heard of a doctor refusing care to someone who uses steroids. Secondly When you go for bloodwork mid cycle what are you having him check? Since your natural levels will be shut down?

No he can't refuse care. His reluctance to test your test levels is a result of HMO managed costs. He does not want to run extra tests as his compensation packages from the insurance company are based on it. However, you can demand that he run them. Remember, despite the cocky attitude of a few of them, they work for you.

I agree with Legend to a point. Yes, I love deca . I am running Eq now for the first time and I liked the deca better. Like I said, I justy dont like the amounts you shot.

**Demon Deacon** · 12-24-2003, 08:57 PM

I agree with Legend to a point. Yes, I love deca . I am running Eq now for the first time and I liked the deca better. Like I said, I justy dont like the amounts you shot.[/QUOTE]

You dont like the amounts i shot? Neither do i. I should of joined this forum before taking it. I thought i was shooting 100mg/ml not 300mg/ml. But i do love the gains i had and the strength it brought me. I just hope it didnt **** me up. All my tests came back perfect (there were 40) the only problems i had were high potassium and high liver enzymes. The potassium he thinks is because the lab takes so long to test it and that can cause high potassium. The liver enzyme that was high was like ALT or something which he says is elevated due to lifting.

**toolman** · 12-25-2003, 08:47 PM

You dont like the amounts i shot? Neither do i. I should of joined this forum before taking it. I thought i was shooting 100mg/ml not 300mg/ml. But i do love the gains i had and the strength it brought me. I just hope it didnt **** me up. All my tests came back perfect (there were 40) the only problems i had were high potassium and high liver enzymes. The potassium he thinks is because the lab takes so long to test it and that can cause high potassium. The liver enzyme that was high was like ALT or something which he says is elevated due to lifting.[/QUOTE]

Yes you get a high liver reading for that due to tissue damage and repair from the lifting. There are guys on here with far more knowledge than me with regard to blood test results. I am sure you are OK and if your getting horny and no function problems, I am sure you have recovered by now. But you should still get your test readings so you can compare them and the end of all your future cycles to confirm you are truely recovered pct.