first cycle w/crohn's disease

**rlslmshdy** · 12-26-2003, 06:31 AM

I plan on taking 100 mgs deca /wk 1amp(250mgs I guess)omnadren /wk and 200 d-bol tabs over 8 wk cycle. Is this too light? Would I make any gains off this cycle? Should I worry about gyno? I have read to start out as light as possible to save room for heavier cycles later on? The problem is I have crohn's disease which makes it hard for me to gain weight. Im currently 5'9 125 lbs with 3-4% body fat, so i need mass and weight bad. Do you guys think roids would be a good try considering my illness. Oh by the way I'm 27 years old. Please help any info would really help?

**groverman1** · 12-26-2003, 01:18 PM

Good luck, a freind at work has Crohn's and he can't handle the protein shakes and dieting aspect. He has tried many times. Keep up posted. I personally would try a test only cycle prob throw in some d-bol early on and see how your system handles it.

**ironmaster** · 12-27-2003, 02:02 AM

If they have you on predisone or the like, you are catabolic all the time. Seems like gear would be a help.

**tallyjuice** · 12-27-2003, 07:52 PM

My best friend has crohn's, so I have seen him at his worst. When we were eighteen he had an attack, and he stopped eating because he was puking up everything. After he got out of the hospital, he was 6', at 142lbs. He then started training his ass off for two years. Then he did his first cycle. He now has three cycles under his belt and stands at a solid 195lbs, shredded. One thing that helped him in his cycles was eq. It allowed him to consume a lot more food. He hasn't had an attack since he started juicing.

***JohnnyB*** · 12-27-2003, 08:14 PM

I don't know much about the disease, but I'd say go test only to start and I'd stay away from the d-bol.

JohnnyB

**the dent depot** · 12-27-2003, 09:11 PM

I would try and get my Doc to give an Rx for Test and or GH. I have seen GH given to people with various "muscle wasting" conditions & have great success.

And dude...dont start throwing all sorts of stuff in your body. Take it slow, have your blood work done at least quarterly, and you should actually do fine. Stick to single ester Test...and GH if you can get it.

Ease up to the high protein high calorie diet you see us all doing...build a tolerance.

I am no doctor, and these are only my opinions...

Good luck!

D

Swellin · 12-27-2003, 09:30 PM

Under no circumstances would I consider an oral with this condition!

**Da Bull** · 12-27-2003, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by the dent depot

I would try and get my Doc to give an Rx for Test and or GH. I have seen GH given to people with various "muscle wasting" conditions & have great success.

And dude...dont start throwing all sorts of stuff in your body. Take it slow, have your blood work done at least quarterly, and you should actually do fine. Stick to single ester Test...and GH if you can get it.

Ease up to the high protein high calorie diet you see us all doing...build a tolerance.

I am no doctor, and these are only my opinions...

Good luck!

D

I came back to this after surfing around for info..but dent beat me to it..

Good luck bro...talk to your doc first....DB

**the dent depot** · 12-27-2003, 10:11 PM

Here is where I would start............

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...ormone+therapy

Good luck...

D

**bones93** · 12-28-2003, 01:22 AM

Bro,
I would say work on the diet before you jump on any gear. This way you can see what types of food your stomach can handle. You dont want to jump on cycle and be throwing up alot of your calories. I have Crohns also but it has not flared up in about 5 years. I had an attack when I was 20 and not one since.....Be careful though..last thing you wantt o do is screw up your stomach or have a bad flare up!
good lucj bro

**Dude-Man** · 12-28-2003, 01:48 AM

GH is what you're after. Talk to your doctor about supplementation.

**groverman1** · 12-28-2003, 03:46 AM

GH all the way. He may have to go to multiple docs because some docs just arent fans of any types of HRT, even though GH really isnt HRT.

**rlslmshdy** · 12-28-2003, 02:38 PM

ive already got the gear i mentioned what do you guys thinkk of this cycle?? thanks alot for all your info guys!!

**Dude-Man** · 12-28-2003, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by rlslmshdy

ive already got the gear i mentioned what do you guys thinkk of this cycle?? thanks alot for all your info guys!!

I think that given your illness, you should talk to a doctor about it before talking to us. I also think that your doses aren't going to do anything for you.

**Da Bull** · 12-28-2003, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by rlslmshdy

ive already got the gear i mentioned what do you guys thinkk of this cycle?? thanks alot for all your info guys!!

Bro talk with your doc first...secondly your cycle is horrible.So IMO you need to get your health and a solid cycle in order before you do anything.

Good luck

DB

**rlslmshdy** · 12-28-2003, 03:00 PM

Im getting ready to start IV treatments of Remicade. which should get my illness under control!! Im not even going to consider starting anything until im 100 % healthy. If i added some test. to the cycle or increase the mgs. of the deca and omnadren 250 would the cycle still "suck"

**kingofmasters** · 12-28-2003, 03:19 PM

I don't think we have the right to advise you Crohns syndrom is a very serious condition and so the only one you should tak to are medical specialists not to us (with all respect to all the board members)!

**rlslmshdy** · 12-29-2003, 04:22 PM

I never really got much advise on my cycle I had listed. I plan on increasing either the deca or omnadren 250. What's up with the omnadren, I don't see too much talk about it. Isn't it similiar to sustenon. I am no expert by any means but other than the milligrams/wk, I thought it would be a descent cycle from what i have researched about each roid in the cycle. Will these not work well together?

**Doc M** · 12-29-2003, 04:31 PM

You really need to talk with your Doctor..Are you seeing a specialist?

Doc M

**the dent depot** · 12-29-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by rlslmshdy

I never really got much advise on my cycle I had listed. I plan on increasing either the deca or omnadren 250. What's up with the omnadren, I don't see too much talk about it. Isn't it similiar to sustenon. I am no expert by any means but other than the milligrams/wk, I thought it would be a descent cycle from what i have researched about each roid in the cycle. Will these not work well together?

Dude, you obvioulsy arent getting the info you wanted to hear...are you? Get rid of the stuff you already have, and re-read the posts above. NO DECA ..NO MULTI ESTER TEST!

What has your doctor said about GH or Test? You havent asked yet, have you? Make an appt. dude.......think long term health,not short term muscle.

JMHO

D

**rlslmshdy** · 12-29-2003, 04:53 PM

yeah guys im seeing a gastro. doc on a regular basis. I haven't really discussed gh or roids with him, but i did ask him for something to help me put on weight or increase my appetite, but he said once i got healthier i would put weight back on. I don't believe he'll prescribe me anything. Man, you guys don't understand I'm skinny as crap. Im 125lbs. I have no confidence. I just need something to help.

**Doc M** · 12-29-2003, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by rlslmshdy

yeah guys im seeing a gastro. doc on a regular basis. I haven't really discussed gh or roids with him, but i did ask him for something to help me put on weight or increase my appetite, but he said once i got healthier i would put weight back on. I don't believe he'll prescribe me anything. Man, you guys don't understand I'm skinny as crap. Im 125lbs. I have no confidence. I just need something to help.

I realize you are frustrated and want a quick fix, but steroids are not the answer for you. Get control of your disease and then see where you are at and then make a plan..

Doc M