Serious Question about UG Labs...

[Jack87]

With so many different UG Labs companies popping up everyday...

Some with exactly what you are looking for, but others with gear
that doesn't quite measure up to the standards that you perfer
to use... What would you want out of their products?

Would you pay more for a higher dosed product like all Test Cyp
and Test Ent 300mg/ml to 400mg/ml or higher? Like Black Label?

Or is simply 200mg/ml to 250mg/ml products fine at a cheaper $

Would you want the cheapest gear $$$ could buy or higher end
products like Tren Enanthate mixes, etc?

What would be your perfect UG Lab Products?

Just curious since it seems there's a new company every week
showing up on the boards, but even though they are all very good...

Seems like everyone always wants a little something different...

[Aragorn]

I like it simple and affordable. I say affordable because I know what the reps and suppliers have against them if they get caught. Give me 250mg/ml in whatever with dbols and I'll be peachy.

Long time no talk Buff...good to see you bro.

Aragorn

[JohnnyB]

Where's the primo acetate or enanthate , eq with the acetate ester and/or parabolan . They all carry the samething a few have some different stuff.

I'm not high jacking I swear but why doesn't any of the research companies carry proviron ?

JohnnyB

[BDTR]

Like i said on anafreaks, 1000mg test enanthate and 500mg tren enanthate. yes it would hurt bad, but it would sure cut down on volume.

[DocHoliday]

You are insane BDTR.

I would say easy measurements.

200mg, 250mg, 500mg Tests
200mg, 250mg, 400mg EQ’s and Deca ’s
200mg, 250mg, 400mg Trenbolne Enanthates
100mcg 20ml, 50ml Clenbuterol

Those are easy, because they’re pretty much cycles in themselves. Double the middle ones for 500mg a week, or use the latter ones for the doubled dosage of the first. First dosage for slightly extending cycles a few weeks.

Also, why not come in package deals. Like a vacation package.

Hell, why not do this.

Have a package like the one I’m planning on running

2 10cc 200mg/ml vials of Trenbolone Enanthate
2 10cc 250mg/ml vials of Testosterone Enanthate
2 50cc 20mg/ml vials of Nolvadex
1 50cc 50mg/ml vial of Clomid

30 twenty-three gauge needles
30 twenty gauge needles
50 packs of alcohol swabs

A toiletry bag.

Sell that for like $380.

Drop the tren and sell for $220.

…ok I got out of hand. Sorry.

Doc

[Billy_Bathgate]

I dont like high dosed stuff really. I think its the cheap way out of making a product that may just need diluted later.

I like test 200-300

Deca 300
EQ 200-300
Prop 100

[bermich]

Give me the higher end. I like the 400mg ml. Saves space

Hell, Since we are going combo, just mix Deca with Test En into one vial. One ml contains 200 mgs of test and 100 mgs of deca. Maybe even some liquid dbol in the vial too. Saves time.

[bermich]

A winny nolva tab also

[DocHoliday]

Packages Bermich, you’re just a slippery slope to asking for a package…lol

[JohnnyB]

I dont like high dosed stuff really. I think its the cheap way out of making a product that may just need diluted later.

I like test 200-300

Deca 300
EQ 200-300
Prop 100

Billy what about some primo 200mg/ml

JohnnyB

[motoxxxguy]

Why the facsination with primo lately JohnnyB? Just curious...

-moto

[Bigboy123]

Rather have higher dosed less volume... Like

[darmadoc]

I wonder if a problem with super high concentrations like 1000mg/ml would be that you could start losing a significant amount of the dose in the needle or to leakage, as a few drops now could really have a lot of test in them.

[DocHoliday]

I wonder if a problem with super high concentrations like 1000mg/ml would be that you could start losing a significant amount of the dose in the needle or to leakage, as a few drops now could really have a lot of test in them.

Uuummmm, I think could be a problem sure. It’s a slight problem the other way around too, like IGF-1 r3, the amts you draw are so small that its hard to accurately gauge the withdrawl.

Doc

[motoxxxguy]

I wonder if a problem with super high concentrations like 1000mg/ml would be that you could start losing a significant amount of the dose in the needle or to leakage, as a few drops now could really have a lot of test in them.

This is the biggest arguement against high concentration gear IMO, but it just isn't physically possible to make 1000mg/ml test enanthate . For example, a 10ml vial of 1000mg/ml test would consist of 10 grams of powder (which displaces approx. 7.5ml), .5ml of oil, and 2ml of solvents (BA and BB). As you could imagine, it would be more of a paste than a solution!

-moto

[DocHoliday]

This is the biggest arguement against high concentration gear IMO, but it just isn't physically possible to make 1000mg/ml test enanthate . For example, a 10ml vial of 1000mg/ml test would consist of 10 grams of powder (which displaces approx. 7.5ml), .5ml of oil, and 2ml of solvents (BA and BB). As you could imagine, it would be more of a paste than a solution!

-moto

Mmmmm Colgate should divest.

[JohnnyB]

Why the facsination with primo lately JohnnyB? Just curious...

-moto

Is it that obvious just something I'd like to try, but 100mg/ml seems a bit low to me if 400mg is needed to see results. I've also read that a higher concentration per ml can yield better results(I'm sure there's a limit to that). So 200mg/ml seem like the obvious answer, to me anyway

JohnnyB

[Aragorn]

Save space....I like to make castles with the bottles and lego figures to play in....save space my ass!

Aragorn

[bermich]

Save space....I like to make castles with the bottles and lego figures to play in....save space my ass!

Aragorn

Save a space in your ass???? Uh.....

[Sicilian30]

I dont like high dosed stuff really. I think its the cheap way out of making a product that may just need diluted later.

I like test 200-300

Deca 300
EQ 200-300
Prop 100

Agree here with you 100% BB. Seems the higher the dose the more BA IE more it fuggin hurts to shoot. I would rather stick myself more times with smaller doses than one big lump (figuratively speaking of course).
I can't wait to get my hands on some of this stuff! Prices are good and all the feedback I am hearing is nothing but good.

[pigskin]

average doses, quality product and reasonable prices brings a smile to my face why look at my avatar im smilin now!

[Sicilian30]

look at my avatar im smilin now!

With a smile like that you should try out for colgate commercials.

[DocHoliday]

You see, Colgate all around….

[Dude-Man]

Is it that obvious just something I'd like to try, but 100mg/ml seems a bit low to me if 400mg is needed to see results. I've also read that a higher concentration per ml can yield better results(I'm sure there's a limit to that). So 200mg/ml seem like the obvious answer, to me anyway

JohnnyB

Red star's current primo is 200 mg/ml. A 20 ml bottle goes for 125 i think.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Billy what about some primo 200mg/ml

JohnnyB

Primo enanthate sure...ace, nah maybe 100. Either way, im not really interested in running it. Maybe if it was really really cheap

[Billy_Bathgate]

Red star's current primo is 200 mg/ml. A 20 ml bottle goes for 125 i think.

lab test that H Bomb did showed it being 100% bunk too...

[Jack87]

Sorry guys...Haven't been around to respond to my own thread...

Been fighting a 104 degree temp all weekend since Saturday night...

F u c king Flu

Anyone there's been alot of replies and some real goods ones at that...

My question is would anyone actually pay the price for an UG Tren Ent
or Primo product, because let's be honest the cost of the raw material
itself is not all that cheap... Sure alot of bros would want to use it, but
it wouldn't go for basement prices right???

[motoxxxguy]

It depends on the company that made it as to whether I would pay anything for it or not. From the more reputable UG companies, I would not hesitate, but most I wouldn't waste my time. Same with brand name gear, some's good, some not so good.

All in all, the good UG companies in some cases have better quality gear for less money than most vet gear IMO.

-moto

[Dude-Man]

lab test that H Bomb did showed it being 100% bunk too...

That was also the old version the enanthate , which he admitted was "a few ml in an unsealed bottle" and if you check the "report" it wasn't even signed by the chemist. That report is commonly dismissed as a forgery. It's fairly simple to forge a lab test, just get a real one and use photoshop to change the details and results. Hbomb also backs a certain underground lab, QGL, that just came out and competes with red star... and their flagship is guess what? A primo product that is 4 times as expensive as red stars. He has every reason to try to defame them. Regardless of that test, this batch of primo, attached to the butyrate ester, has been tested to be about 2 mg/ml low by more than one unbiased individual. It's legit, but it's painful.

[motoxxxguy]

That was also the old version the enanthate, which he admitted was "a few ml in an unsealed bottle" and if you check the "report" it wasn't even signed by the chemist. That report is commonly dismissed as a forgery. It's fairly simple to forge a lab test, just get a real one and use photoshop to change the details and results. Hbomb also backs a certain underground lab just just came out and competes with red star. he has every reason to try to defame them. Regardless of that test, this batch of primo, attached to the butyrate ester, has been tested to be about 2 mg/ml low by more than one unbiased individual. It's legit, but it's painful.

That doesn't sound very promising really. Why does it have to be painful? Have you seen the lab results from this gear, or is it hearsay? It doesn't sound like Res Star would be high on my list of choices.

-moto

[Jack87]

As much as I would like all my gear to be dosed at 400mg to 500mg per ml to save on injection volumn and number of injections, I have to agree with you that 300mg/ml is probably the perfect dose to get away with as little BA as possible and still have a high potency product...

I dont like high dosed stuff really. I think its the cheap way out of making a product that may just need diluted later.

I like test 200-300

Deca 300
EQ 200-300
Prop 100

[Dude-Man]

That doesn't sound very promising really. Why does it have to be painful? Have you seen the lab results from this gear, or is it hearsay? It doesn't sound like Res Star would be high on my list of choices.

-moto

I have seen the lab "test" done by hbomb.. that's first hand account. If you buy from redstar and request it, he will send a lab report along with your gear. He only sends them to customers, and i've never bought from him. I know that his word is good however, and he has many many many people behind him that testify the quality of his products, including the old primo that was said to be "bunk". The reason the new primo is somewhat painful is because it's a high mg/ml short ester, which requires a higher concentration of solvent to stay in solution. Any 200+ mg/ml short ester product will be somewhat painful.

[motoxxxguy]

I have seen the lab "test" done by hbomb.. that's first hand account. If you buy from redstar and request it, he will send a lab report along with your gear. He only sends them to customers, and i've never bought from him. I know that his word is good however, and he has many many many people behind him that testify the quality of his products, including the old primo that was said to be "bunk". The reason the new primo is somewhat painful is because it's a high mg/ml short ester, which requires a higher concentration of solvent to stay in solution. Any 200+ mg/ml short ester product will be somewhat painful.

So Red Star's 'primo' is methenolone acetate? Primobolan is methenolone enanthate , and should be painless at 200mg/ml. If it's the acetate ester, there really isn't a reason to make it 200mg/ml. Not trying to argue with you here, just curious as to what it is.

-moto

[Dude-Man]

So Red Star's 'primo' is methenolone acetate? Primobolan is methenolone enanthate , and should be painless at 200mg/ml. If it's the acetate ester, there really isn't a reason to make it 200mg/ml. Not trying to argue with you here, just curious as to what it is.

-moto

The old product is enanthate. The new one is butyrate, an ester slightly longer than prop. I agree, there's really no need for a high concentration because you're going to be doing fairly frequent injections anyway. No one really runs like a gram of methenolone a week.

[JohnnyB]

Sorry guys...Haven't been around to respond to my own thread...

Been fighting a 104 degree temp all weekend since Saturday night...

F u c king Flu

Anyone there's been alot of replies and some real goods ones at that...

My question is would anyone actually pay the price for an UG Tren Ent
or Primo product, because let's be honest the cost of the raw material
itself is not all that cheap... Sure alot of bros would want to use it, but
it wouldn't go for basement prices right???

I bought some tren enan powder and will probably buy some primo enan maybe some ace. I do have some I'll try that was given to me. If I think it a hassle to make my own I'll buy

JohnnyB

[Dude-Man]

I bought some tren enan powder and will probably buy some primo enan maybe some ace. I do have some I'll try that was given to me. If I think it a hassle to make my own I'll buy

JohnnyB

I thought about doing the same thing myself johnny, but it's hard to find any methenolone powder cheaper than 35 a gram, for me at least. I imagine if price isn't an issude it's obviously not a problem, but best of luck in getting the best bargain.

[Jack87]

Hey Johnny

Shouldn't be any harder to make, but if you screw it up with
Tren Ent or Primo then you just cost yourself alot of $$$

I was just wondering if anyone would really pay for a UG
Lab Trenbolone Enanthate of Primo product?

I know of a few who are thinking about it, but it's a bigger
investment and less room for profit to make both...

Not to mention more risk with gettin raw materials because
you have more $$$ involved...

I bought some tren enan powder and will probably buy some primo enan maybe some ace. I do have some I'll try that was given to me. If I think it a hassle to make my own I'll buy

JohnnyB

[JohnnyB]

I thought about doing the same thing myself johnny, but it's hard to find any methenolone powder cheaper than 35 a gram, for me at least. I imagine if price isn't an issude it's obviously not a problem, but best of luck in getting the best bargain.

With a gram yeilding 10-100mg doses(amps) and them being $10 and up per amp. 35 is a third or less of the price. If your going to try it might as well go with the powder.

JohnnyB

[JohnnyB]

Hey Johnny

Shouldn't be any harder to make, but if you screw it up with
Tren Ent or Primo then you just cost yourself alot of $$$

I was just wondering if anyone would really pay for a UG
Lab Trenbolone Enanthate of Primo product?

I know of a few who are thinking about it, but it's a bigger
investment and less room for profit to make both...

Not to mention more risk with gettin raw materials because
you have more $$$ involved...

I know a couple of Bros that would rather buy it made then make it themselves. I feel the risk is a little less then amp or vial.

JohnnyB

[GRIPS]

a super mix (enanthate ,eq)