Steroid Usage Basics For Beginers. 101

**Dude-Man** · 01-13-2004, 12:16 PM

Bump. if you see this doc, and you feel up to is you might want to list side effects and counter-indications for steroids . (resons why you shouldn't use them if you're young or have a medical condition)

**DocHoliday** · 01-13-2004, 01:14 PM

Updated 01/13/04 at 2:17pm Eastern US

I listed some, but did not get into the reasons why young people should not take them. That should be its own thread.

Thanks for your input Chris.

Bump for more input.

Doc

**BASK8KACE** · 01-14-2004, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by DocHoliday

Fabry,

The reason I added that thread is for two reasons.

Low doses are adequate. Second, if a man has been using AAS for close to 13 years as you’ve stated and is STILL using low doses of AAS with good results…..

Well, I’m pretty darn certain so will a newbie. Starting off with high doses of AAS can lead to some of those serious complications the media has trounced on to pour misleading information into the arms of uneducated people. I do want to note however, even with low doses of AAS there are possible and expected complications. The extent and degree of complications will most likely be less and less the lower the doses of AAS used. Too low, however, complications can still arise. AAS use is something that should be researched, understood and respected. Not the actual use being respected, but respected to not be taken lightly.

Which is why in my sample stacks the doses are moderate.

Doc

Amen.

Doc,

This is an excellent post about beginning cycles and basics everyone should know. Great contribution to the board.

You already know my view on low-doses and I'm glad you gave a nod to low-doses and to Dorian6, who is is proof of what patience, dedication and low to moderate doses can do.

Bump.

Xxample

**DF2003** · 01-14-2004, 08:10 PM

nice read bro!

**Jackman** · 01-14-2004, 08:16 PM

That should be a sticky haha good job

**GREENMACHINE** · 01-17-2004, 09:58 AM

Wow great post. Very well written I can see myself visiting this post again it has everthing. Top drawer.

**DF2003** · 01-17-2004, 10:04 AM

yea i think this should be a sticky or a must read in the new members.

**BWhitaker** · 01-17-2004, 11:29 AM

bump, im on my laptop but have no printer for a couple of hours and im just to lazy to cut and copy. lol

**EXTREMES** · 01-17-2004, 02:07 PM

Bump

**iron4life79** · 01-17-2004, 05:21 PM

i'll bump it for ya bro..........

i'll leave this here a little while longer, then i'm moving it to the edu forum........this cool with you Doc?

peace I4L

**DocHoliday** · 01-20-2004, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by iron4life79

i'll bump it for ya bro..........

i'll leave this here a little while longer, then i'm moving it to the edu forum........this cool with you Doc?

peace I4L

That’s fine with me. Thanks guys. My writing is going to fall off quite a bit. I need to start focusing on my school work.

Doc

**Fartdaemon** · 01-20-2004, 10:39 AM

I'll give it another BUMP!

Good Luck with your school bro,

FD

**bluepearl** · 01-20-2004, 01:24 PM

I have been digging around in several diffferent post. This one is very well written and offers alot of details. Thanks Bro!

**LilVito469** · 01-21-2004, 03:34 AM

is there some one who can tell me if a site I know of is a scam or not? it doesn't seem to be on the scam list.

**DocHoliday** · 01-29-2004, 07:50 PM

back to the top

**DF2003** · 01-29-2004, 10:40 PM

hey jj were you going to do that for me?

**DocHoliday** · 02-01-2004, 05:27 PM

Update

Added Aratest to the Clomid time/duration chart.

**BLACKZILLA** · 02-02-2004, 01:13 AM

Doc....Absolutely outstanding post. Bump for anyone who hasn't read it. There is probably some info that everyone can use, regardless of how long they've been in the game. Thanks...

**LightWeightBaby** · 02-19-2004, 05:00 PM

This is a great post thought I might as well bump it up for all the new people here

**Dude-Man** · 02-19-2004, 10:09 PM

bumping

**Jackt23** · 02-27-2004, 04:33 PM

i do have to say this was an impressive thread...i just read it for the first time and answered many questions i still have.....this should definately be at the top so all the newbies can see it...lord knows searching is too much haha

***50%Natural*** · 02-27-2004, 04:55 PM

it should be posted in every male locker room in every gym in america...well maybe not, but its still a great post

**Jackt23** · 02-27-2004, 05:57 PM

no 50 i think you are right.....chances are 80% of them are members on here anyway hahaha

**BuffGuy** · 02-27-2004, 08:50 PM

I think this was an awesome post. It should enter the hallowed Education Threads Forum.

I was wondering if you could add some stuff on basic cutting cycles for beginners since you seem to focus on bulking ones...

**Jackt23** · 02-27-2004, 09:14 PM

thats a good point buff guy...im lookin to do a cut cycle for my next one and with the extent of info on this one.....if the same was added for cutting id feel alot better planning it out and doing it

**DocHoliday** · 02-28-2004, 12:23 AM

Cutting? What's that? I'll work on it guys.

Doc

**Jackt23** · 02-28-2004, 02:48 AM

thanks doc, sounds good....just to let ya know.....i just had a friend get in touch with me tonight after not talkin to me in awhile...asked me a few quesitons about a first cycle.....your post was the first i sent him to...again, good stuff

**live2ball** · 02-28-2004, 09:41 AM

Thanks for all the useful info doc.
I learned a lot!

**Jjdigs74** · 03-06-2004, 06:20 PM

bump bump bump! great info doc!

**Jackt23** · 03-08-2004, 12:01 AM

i think this needs a bump....newbies can find much valuable info on here....i suggest this over the website, for cycle help....alot of them say sus but what ij ust learned is that it is better to run single ester like cyp or enanth...i wish i had this post when i started....may i suggest sticky??

**DocHoliday** · 03-08-2004, 01:13 AM

Updated 03/08/04 2:30am US eastern time. Added cuter and bulker cycles. They aren't the best cycles, but something I whipped up at 2:30 in the morning. Feel free to comment if changes are necessary.

Swellin · 03-08-2004, 01:23 AM

Okay Doc...this is an excellent post! Since you mentioned the new cycles...I took a look and thought I might mention a couple of very minor things...

2nd + timer cut cycles:

#1:
wk 1-14 Testosterone Propionate 50mg ed (or 100mg eod)
wk 1-13 Trenbolone Acetate 50mg ed (or 100mg eod)
wk 1-16 Nolvadex
wk 14-16 Clomid (started 3 days after last shot of prop)

Since tren can shut you down really hard...I like the idea of running a bit more prop than tren. Maybe go 75mg ED on the prop or 150 EOD.

#3:

wk 1-10 Testosterone Propionate
wk 1-10 Winstrol
wk 1-10 Trenbolone Acetate
wk 1-13 Nolvadex
wk 10-13 Clomid

Bro, you are alseep...there are no dosages listed in this one.
Also...anavar seems to be a really nice addition to the ole prop tren cycle for cutting. Just adding that to the list here.

Mass Cycles:

#2
wk 1-4 Testosterone Propionate 50mg ed (or 100mg eod)
wk 1-12 Sustanon 350-500mg ew
wk 1-10 Deca Durabolin
wk 6-14 Anavar 20-40mg ed
wk 11-15 Testosterone Propionate 50mg ed (or 100mg eod)

Just a Q on your sust dose. 350?

This should also be administered at the longest E3D. Not 250 per week...250 EOD or at worst E3D. (I know you know all of this stuff...I'm just adding it to the post.)

Hell of a post Doc!

**ironfist** · 03-08-2004, 01:35 AM

Nice...

**DocHoliday** · 03-08-2004, 06:18 AM

Whoa...

I'm tired this morning. Five hours of sleep. I have to make a presentation soon. Thanks for catching my follies Swellin.

I'll change em later.

Doc

**forreal** · 03-09-2004, 09:38 PM

thanks for the posts doc.alot learned.
train hard and live long

**Sorken** · 03-11-2004, 03:32 PM

Bumb this upp.... Great post for newbies and pros !!

One question to Doc..
Your cutting cycle #3 is containing Winstrol for 10 weeks.. isn't that too much ???

**DocHoliday** · 03-11-2004, 05:44 PM

probably, my cutting cycle proposals suck ass. I wrote them at 2am, and made a lot of mistakes. No one should use them until I revise them, but I'm too busy this week.

Doc