2nd Cycle / Stack with Dbol? / EQ & SUS

[superior]

My first Cycle was simply for bulking and I ran an 8 week (short) cycle of DECA and SUS (gained about 18 lbs, and lost about 8 lbs after cycle).

I have 4 bottles of 10ml TT EQ (200/ml)
I have 22 IU's of SUS 250 (250mg each)
I have 200 Dbol 5mg tablets
40 tables of Novalex (40mg)
20 tables of Clomid (50mg)

I am 5'9" 182 lbs, and about 11% body fat, 27 years old, been lifting on and off for 7 years.

I want to run a lean mass building cycle while gaining about 12-20 lbs of lean mass, and then stay reasonably cut. Here are 2 different proposed stacks that I'm thinking of using, not sure if I should use Dbol? Afraid of too much bloating?

Week 1 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 2 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 3 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 4 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 5 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 6 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 7 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 8 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 9 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg)
Week 10 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 11 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 12 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 13-15 = Off
Week 16-18 = Clomid 50mg/day

OR

Week 1 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 45mg/day
Week 2 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 45mg/day
Week 3 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day
Week 4 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day
Week 5 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 25mg/day
Week 6 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 25mg/day
Week 7 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 25mg/day
Week 8 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 15mg/day
Week 9 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 15mg/day
Week 10 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 11 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 12 = Sus (250mg) & EQ (600mg)
Week 13-15 = OFF
Week 16-18 Clomid 50mg/day

Remember that I'm trying to stay cut but gain mass, and I am not sure if I should stack the Dbol or not? Allso when should I take the Novalex (during and after my cycle?)

Thanks for the info!

[Bartleby]

keep the sust and d-bol at the same dosage throughout the cycle, do not taper...it would be better if you get a single ester test like enan or cyp...jmo
sust 250 500mg/wk wks1-10
eq 400mg/wk wks 1-10
d-bol 30-35mg wks 1-4
nolva 10mg/ed througout cycle
PCT-clomid/nolva
also it would be better if you get more gear and run both for 12 weeks..

[TRE]

Well there are a couple problems. Sust needs to be taken eod or e3d. Dont taper the dbol or sust and dont run dbol for more then 5 weeks. I would run it more like this

1-4 dbol 35mg
1-10 sust 250 e3d
1-10 eq 400 (200mg with each shot of sust)
20mg nolv a day
pct

[superior]

Well there are a couple problems. Sust needs to be taken eod or e3d. Dont taper the dbol or sust and dont run dbol for more then 5 weeks. I would run it more like this

1-4 dbol 35mg
1-10 sust 250 e3d
1-10 eq 400 (200mg with each shot of sust)
20mg nolv a day
pct

Thanks, sounds good - so a 10 week cycle should be good? Also with the dbol only for 4 weeks will it cause much bloating?

Btw: what is eod or e3d? thanks

[Bartleby]

eod or e3d= every other day or every 3 days....

[TRE]

every other day eod
every 3rd day e3d


Most likely yes, up the nolv while on the dbol and it should help.

[superior]

every other day eod
every 3rd day e3d


Most likely yes, up the nolv while on the dbol and it should help.

Here is what my final stack should look like then?

Week 1 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 2 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 3 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 4 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 5 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 6 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 7 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 8 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 9 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 10 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 11-12 = off
Week 13-16 = Clomid 50mg / day

Also CAN I USE Propecia during this cycle and Nizoral 2% Shampoo. I did NOT use it when I was on Deca, and I'm starting to take it again after waiting 4 weeks of OFF Cycle. Will the Propecia have any conflicts with the SUS, EQ and Dbol?

[48ngoin]

I thought you should wait three weeks until PCT with Sust. I'm in my 6th week of Sust. only cycle.

[Paranoid]

Also CAN I USE Propecia during this cycle and Nizoral 2% Shampoo. I did NOT use it when I was on Deca, and I'm starting to take it again after waiting 4 weeks of OFF Cycle. Will the Propecia have any conflicts with the SUS, EQ and Dbol?

Its fine to use the 2% Nizoral Shampoo with any gear, since its a topical application. As for Propecia, there would be NO problems using it with this cycle. Its advised to avoid it only when using either Deca or Tren.

[DIANABOLIO]

Bro, to get any benefit from EQ gotta run it at 600mg/wk, or at least 400... Go with TRE's advice, sounds like he knows what he's talking about....
D-bol rocks but get ready for the bloat, run Arimidex at .5mg and no water issues

[Paranoid]

Bro, to get any benefit from EQ gotta run it at 600mg/wk, or at least 400... Go with TRE's advice, sounds like he knows what he's talking about....
D-bol rocks but get ready for the bloat, run Arimidex at .5mg and no water issues

Bro, this thread is exactly 2 years old. What gives?

[MASTER]

Week 1 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 2 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 3 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 4 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & dbol 35mg/day & Nolv 20mg/day
Week 5 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 6 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 7 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 8 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 9 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 10 = Sus (500mg) & EQ (400mg) & Nolv 10mg/day
Week 11 - Sus (500mg) Eq (400mg) Nolv 10mg
Week 12 - Sus (500mg) Nolv 10mg

You could run var, halo or winny for the last few weeks and up till pct if u wanted as well, to help harden u up! If you really want to keep the bloat under control I would consider some adex or proviron as well.

[MASTER]

Run sust eod as well, you will not experience its full benefits unless its run eod. I am currently running it ed, but I cant decide whether its more effective than when ive run it eod!