Hcg??

[Ilya95]

ok need to know more about HCG guys!! I'm gonna start my 20 wk test/d-bol cycle soon. I dont have and HCG yet and know I need with such a long cycle. This is not my first cycle more like the 5th and I've always wanted to run a long test cycle. But I still do need to know about HCG. I have no idea how to use it or even why theres two amps one dry and wet?? How do I use it and do I inject same as juice? At what time in the cycle should I use it and at what dosages?Also....why is it so nessacary on a long cycle??

THANKS!!

[PurePower]

Do a serch of HCG at the top of the page..and you will have more information than you could read in one night

[Ilya95]

I will do that now bro....thanks. Is there anything though that that wont tell me that you you guys can??

[Phillyboy1]

I will do that now bro....thanks. Is there anything though that that wont tell me that you you guys can??

nope we posted everything about this topic with in the last month or so

[NoLimits]

A twenty week test/dbol cycle... care to share just exactly how you plan on running those two for twenty weeks! We might be able to help you right there!

[Ilya95]

lol....okay the cycle is gonna look like this:

wks 1-5 D-bol 40mg ed
wks 1-20 600mg Test Cyp
wks 1-20 50mg provion ed ( to prevent bloat )
Nolva always on hand
And of course proper post meds.
As you already know though I still havent worked in the HCG yet but will before I start my cycle.

THANKS!!

[Phillyboy1]

id start the HCG after the 2nd week or so, cause ive notice that i didnt really need it the first 2 weeks, if i had to do my cycle over i would have waited to start the hcg and only used it from the 3rd for 4th week on, at every 4th day or so

[NoLimits]

How many cycles have you done?
And jcstomper, no offense, but I really don't like how you laid out the HCG usage!

[Ilya95]

I have done 5 ( and two small ones that I had to stop do to problems so I dont count those ). and I still dont understand how to layout HCG thru out a cycle!! I though you use it like half way thru not every 2 weeks?!?!
THANKS!!!!

[NoLimits]

You are going to get different opinions on this... some run it every weekend (Sat & Sun) at 500iu's a day. Others run it only at the end of a cycle... the two weeks you are waiting for your pct to start. Now I will tell you how I run it, not to say it is the right way, but remember this is for me and I run my cycles for a min of 24 weeks. Starting at week five, I will use it at 5000 iu's for one week. And the same then every five weeks throughout the cycle. I also run it two weeks at 5000 iu's a week at the end of the cycle, three if I feel the need to do so.

[Phillyboy1]

How many cycles have you done?
And jcstomper, no offense, but I really don't like how you laid out the HCG usage!

have fun reading:


This is Dr. John's(Swale) PCT protocal.

Since I've been hanging out here a bit lately, I've been getting quite a few emails from guys wanting individualized advice on their cycles. In the first place, I cannot design cycles, nor do I prescribe steroids (just ancillary medications). That would be a violation of my Oath as a physician, and DEA law to boot. Also, obviously I cannot afford to give away free Consultations. So, I'll post my PCT Protocols here, for anyone who may choose to use them.

Also, I'm just running to catch a plane for Las Vegas, attending the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine International Conference. I guess they are supposed to publish an article I wrote on how to administer TRT for men. Wish me luck!

Here it is:

I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool” the body—it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.

[Phillyboy1]

You are going to get different opinions on this... some run it every weekend (Sat & Sun) at 500iu's a day. Others run it only at the end of a cycle... the two weeks you are waiting for your pct to start. Now I will tell you how I run it, not to say it is the right way, but remember this is for me and I run my cycles for a min of 24 weeks. Starting at week five, I will use it at 5000 iu's for one week. And the same then every five weeks throughout the cycle. I also run it two weeks at 5000 iu's a week at the end of the cycle, three if I feel the need to do so.

you do understand if you use to much HCG youll have aromathising and extra estro in your body. not sure if you knew that or not just wanted to let ya know

[Demon Deacon]

If you are only going to use it at the end of your cycle, the last two weeks. Is this the last two weeks of your AS injections or the two weeks you are waiting to start PCT? I have to use HCG this cycle and have never used it before