Need help with PCT

[Body]

Two questions that seem to generate a lot of debate when I ask them at the gym. Hopefully you guys can help.

1. What's better after the completion of a cycle Nolvadex or Arimidex ?

2. Is it a good idea to use HCG after a cycle or not? Seems like everybody has a different opinion about this one.

Obviously, of course, clomid wll also be used. Thanks!

[scottninpo]

you can use nolva and ldex in pct
hcg will hold back your body from recovering its hpta, do not use post cycle

[asymmetrical1]

1. nolv
2. no

[Testify]

Use Nolva with your Clomid for PCT.

HCG is not always necessary at the end of a cycle. It depends on the length of your cycle. Some say you should use it for 15+ week cycles, but if you have used harsher AAS like Tren or Deca you might use it with a 12 week cycle. As was mentioned, however, you should not use HCG during PCT.

[TheMudMan]

1. Both Nolva and Arimidex with clomid for PCT

2. As Testify said using HCG will depend on the length of your cycle, compounds used........

[Body]

Why is it better to use Nolvadex and Liquidex? Aren't they serving the same purpose?

[TheMudMan]

Why is it better to use Nolvadex and Liquidex? Aren't they serving the same purpose?

Nolva is a SERM and L-dex is a AI...... both are anti-e's but work differently...... Nolva will keep estrogen from binding to receptor sites and L-dex will keep testosterone from converting to estrogen.

Pheedno posted this a few months ago and this is why I started using L-dex in my PCT. This study was done with Letro, both letro and L-dex have the same mechanism of action so it's applicable.

Aromatase inhibitors in men

The effect of aromatase inhibition on male gonadotrophin and sex steroid concentrations is illustrated in the paper by Trunet et al. (1993): 2.5 mg letrozole suppressed plasma oestradiol concentrations to less than 50% of pretreatment after 2 days, with recovery to approximately pretreatment values after 6 days. These decreases were accompanied by increased gonadotrophin concentrations, with resultant increases of approximately 50% in plasma testosterone. These results, and those previously published (Bhatnagar et al. 1992) on the effects of fadrozole in men, indicate that the aromatization pathway is of major importance in the regulation of gonodotrophin secretion by aromatically androgens

[inheritmylife]

Nolva is a SERM and L-dex is a AI...... both are anti-e's but work differently...... Nolva will keep estrogen from binding to receptor sites and L-dex will keep testosterone from converting to estrogen.

Pheedno posted this a few months ago and this is why I started using L-dex in my PCT. This study was done with Letro, both letro and L-dex have the same mechanism of action so it's applicable.

Aromatase inhibitors in men

The effect of aromatase inhibition on male gonadotrophin and sex steroid concentrations is illustrated in the paper by Trunet et al. (1993): 2.5 mg letrozole suppressed plasma oestradiol concentrations to less than 50% of pretreatment after 2 days, with recovery to approximately pretreatment values after 6 days. These decreases were accompanied by increased gonadotrophin concentrations, with resultant increases of approximately 50% in plasma testosterone. These results, and those previously published (Bhatnagar et al. 1992) on the effects of fadrozole in men, indicate that the aromatization pathway is of major importance in the regulation of gonodotrophin secretion by aromatically androgens

Out of curiosity, and to understand the significance of this study, what is "fadrozole?" What I am really asking is, were these men hypogonadic (I may have just billboarded my ignorance with that one)?

[Pheedno]

fadrozole is another AI that has not been nationally distributed. If yo do a google search, you'll get multiple results for it.


Also, another thing to note in including L-dex is the effect it has on Nolva. Nolva and Clomid are both SERMs, but are selctive in which ERs they bind to. Clomid is selective to suprapituitary, and Nolva is selective to breast, bone, and liver. With an AI addition, you inhibit estrogen converison, which in turn allows Nolva to work stronger as a secondary stimulator for LH next to clomid; this making recovery faster.(It still has this effect without the AI, just not to the same extent). With Clomid/Nolva without the AI, Nolva is primarly being used to prevent binding of excess estrogen produced post cycle.

[asymmetrical1]

very good info...you sold me, i'll run all 3 for recovery if i ever come off

[daman1]

fadrozole is another AI that has not been nationally distributed. If yo do a google search, you'll get multiple results for it.


Also, another thing to note in including L-dex is the effect it has on Nolva. Nolva and Clomid are both SERMs, but are selctive in which ERs they bind to. Clomid is selective to suprapituitary, and Nolva is selective to breast, bone, and liver. With an AI addition, you inhibit estrogen converison, which in turn allows Nolva to work stronger as a secondary stimulator for LH next to clomid; this making recovery faster.(It still has this effect without the AI, just not to the same extent). With Clomid/Nolva without the AI, Nolva is primarly being used to prevent binding of excess estrogen produced post cycle.

I am doing a tren /prop cycle here in about a week. I know I should start my first doses three or so days after my last shot. What do you suggest as good doses for all 3?

[Pheedno]

.25mg L-dex + 20mg Nolva + 100mg Clomid for 30 days