2nd cycle advise

**Oiltruck** · 03-03-2004, 03:13 PM

Alrite people-
Im gonna run an eight wker for my next course, aim is a bulker-as much size as possible, like to do this

Test Ethan 750mg/wk
Winny 50mg/ed ?
PCT HCG and Nolva

Not sure about dosages of winny, told to do three shots a wk but not quite sure how much one would normally run.

I was told that I should stick with 500mg of test cos I don't want to get too used to it, but I did this as part of my last course along with deca and d-bol and I don't feel that 500mg/week is enough-what do u lot think?

I wanted to stick sum orals in there to kick it off but Im not sure seeing as winny is 17-aa? Should I front load the test instead?

Also I was thinking of running the nolva 10mg/ed throughout the course to reduce bloat and fat as im carrying a bit too much fat from my last course(got a bit over-obsessed about getting the calories in).

Finally if i was to run the HCG at 500 every sat and sun while on instead of after as PCT, would that mean I could go back on sooner?

Sorry about all the dumb qns, but I want 2 make this one the best it can be.
Been reading these boards for a while and so i no there are sum top guys here so any advice/suggestions would be much appreciated

Thanks a lot in advance

**big N** · 03-03-2004, 03:35 PM

ill help u but u really need to spend some more time reading up as these are very simple question us should know before u even starta a cycle,500 is fine mspecially if havent done to may ccycles ,yes winny is 17 alk ,and u nned to shhot it ed or max eod ,so ur protcol of 3 times a week will not work ,it has a short half life, no nned for hcg ,ur cycle is pretty simple ,and mild gear ,if u ant to run it though it wont hurt ill tel u how to run it ,no u can not get on sooner,get blood work done 30 days afte ur done with pct ,get levels checked abd then go from there ,ussualy time on is time off ,or round about,aslo iu said ur goals are to gainas amuch mass as possible ,and winny is poor choice ,i would stack some deca and dbol up front for that if uwanan run what u ahev then atleast run it for 10 not 8 ,as it take 2 weeks for the test to metabolise in ur recptors
1-10 500 mg test
8-12 50 mg winny ed or eod ,clomid and nolva immedulately right after. like isaid though winy is apoor choicefor ur goal

**ironfist** · 03-03-2004, 03:38 PM

If you are looking for as much mass as possible, I'd dump the winny and use either dbol or anadrol for the first 5 weeks...You could use the winny at the end as BigN has outlined...

**Consistency** · 03-03-2004, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by ironfist

If you are looking for as much mass as possible, I'd dump the winny and use either dbol or anadrol for the first 5 weeks...You could use the winny at the end as BigN has outlined...

agreed.... and keep the test at 500mg for 10-12 weeks

**Oiltruck** · 03-04-2004, 08:18 AM

appreciate the advice guys. I dont wanna run for more than eight wks cos i can see my receptors shutting down any longer after that. NEways, last cycle, I was still feeling the sus 3 weeks after the last shot. Plus I couldnt bear being off for 12wks lol

Would there be any harm in running 750mg because being quite tall (6'2), i would have thought i should run a bit more(and want to-to be honest).

I realise winny is used more for cutting, but the strength that comes with it is also what im after.

I ran d-bol last time and found it was awesome-pumps in shins, lower back etc and the deca didn't seem very effective(which is probably cos i woz only running 200mg/wk) but for my next few cycles I wanna try sumthing new-see what I respond to.

How do u think I should run the HCG then? Was thinking 3 shots of 2500 every 5 days(what i did last time)?

Say I was to run the winny-how much should I shoot? E/d sounds gd.

What brands would u suggest cos I can get hold of iranian ethan quite easily but ive no idea how good/**** it is?

And lastly how are my gains going to differ from those from my last cycle which I finished about 8wks ago?

Thanks a lot guys

**big N** · 03-04-2004, 10:00 AM

bro being tall has nothing to do with how many mgs u run ,whatsover,if i ts not broke dont fix it ,and on ur first cycloe u ddint gain well it was ur diet and training ,its better to do small increments of hcg cuase 2500 can descenscetize ur LH and then u skrewed u would have to be on it for life ,strength form winny?bro its average nothing extreme ,its ur money ur time uve been advised now do what u want .

***asymmetrical1*** · 03-04-2004, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by big N

bro being tall has nothing to do with how many mgs u run ,whatsover,if i ts not broke dont fix it ,and on ur first cycloe u ddint gain well it was ur diet and training ,its better to do small increments of hcg cuase 2500 can descenscetize ur LH and then u skrewed u would have to be on it for life ,strength form winny?bro its average nothing extreme ,its ur money ur time uve been advised now do what u want .

the man has spoken

**ColdSore** · 03-04-2004, 11:35 AM

good advice big N....i say test/d-bol...or test/d-bol/deca for mass also

**Sorken** · 03-04-2004, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by big N

bro being tall has nothing to do with how many mgs u run ,whatsover,if i ts not broke dont fix it ,and on ur first cycloe u ddint gain well it was ur diet and training ,its better to do small increments of hcg cuase 2500 can descenscetize ur LH and then u skrewed u would have to be on it for life ,strength form winny?bro its average nothing extreme ,its ur money ur time uve been advised now do what u want .