the owner of cost plus, (a store like gnc) works out at my gym. he is a freakin monster. he sold my chicken**** boy some designer **** cause he is scared of the pin. later i saw him in the locker room and my exact words to him were "hey bro, does that designer stuff u sell really work" he gave me a little smile and said yeah if ur rich and have 8 hrs a day to spend in the gym. he said he just sells it but if u want size and strength u have to get on the gear. he also said most people think he is natural cause he owns cost plus but if u want the gains he has u have to get on the gear.