HELP - MUST STOP my 1st cycle after only 6 wks...

**fabry** · 04-08-2004, 04:08 AM

... coz i have (again) a problem with my lower back!
cannot even do legs warm up (light leg extensions) that i feel like havin a sward in the middle of my ass!!!!
so, as the main reason of this cycle was to grow my legs, i think is stupid continue to waste time and money just to receive benefits on my upper body!
now, last test inj was last monday (3 days ago):
- do i have to follow a "standard" pct to be started 2 wks after last test inj and for 21 days (nolva 20mg ed and clomid 300-100-50)?
- how long will i have to wait (hoping i can fix this problem during next monht or 2) after i finish my pct before starting another cycle?
thanks for advices

ps: please, dont try to find alternatives to my low back problem: there are not! ive tried all kinda legs excercises and different movement, but pain is there and is gettin worse!!!

**sepjuice** · 04-08-2004, 04:15 AM

where's the pain bro,legs?lower back?back?a$$?...

**fabry** · 04-08-2004, 04:30 AM

the problem is between L5 and S1! and pain is everywhere from back to glutes to legs!
so, no way! i had it before and is coming back these days!!!
just need to know about pct bro...

**D00fy** · 04-08-2004, 05:26 AM

nolvadex and clomid ,

clomid,nolvadex or LIQUIDEX<33333333333333 love that ****ttttttttt

**MBaraso** · 04-08-2004, 09:42 AM

2 weeks after your last shot of test you start PCT.

***Pheedno*** · 04-08-2004, 09:50 AM

Continue with the L-dex during PCT

**jbigdog69** · 04-08-2004, 09:52 AM

I would recommend hcg : The usual protocol is to inject 1500-3000 I.U. every 4'" or 5t" day, for a duration usually no longer than 2 or 3 weeks. Wait at least two weeks from the last test shot. HCG acts only to mimic the action of LH. It is likewise not the perfect hormone to combat testosterone suppression, and for this reason it is used most often in conjunction with estrogen antagonists such as Clomid®, Nolvadex ® or cyclofenil . I would take clomid for no less than 4 wks. Peace

**BASK8KACE** · 04-08-2004, 10:00 AM

You keep talking about pain as opposed to a "painful pump." I usually hear people refer to a painful lower back pump. But, you talk about pain "everywhere from back to glutes to legs" so I wonder whether there is something more to it.

Some things to think about:
1. Is the pain from the pumped feeling or a different kind of pain?
2. Is the pain a result of you lifting too heavy while on cycle and causing damage rather than a result of the cycle itself?
3. Do you think you could have a slipped disk or other back damage?

To answer your original questions:
1. Time on cycle should = time off cycle.
2. Even though your cycle has been cut short, your HPTA has probably been affected. So, if you were planning to do PCT after your full cylce, then do it the same as you would have had you run the full cylce. Your PCT should begin according to the following:

PCT should start:
Anadrol /Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca : 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol : 4 - 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 3 weeks after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 - 14 days after last injection
Sustanon : 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 4 - 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 - 12 hours after last administration

**SportsMedVIP** · 04-08-2004, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by fabry

... coz i have (again) a problem with my lower back!
cannot even do legs warm up (light leg extensions) that i feel like havin a sward in the middle of my ass!!!!
so, as the main reason of this cycle was to grow my legs, i think is stupid continue to waste time and money just to receive benefits on my upper body!
now, last test inj was last monday (3 days ago):
- do i have to follow a "standard" pct to be started 2 wks after last test inj and for 21 days (nolva 20mg ed and clomid 300-100-50)?
- how long will i have to wait (hoping i can fix this problem during next monht or 2) after i finish my pct before starting another cycle?
thanks for advices

ps: please, dont try to find alternatives to my low back problem: there are not! ive tried all kinda legs excercises and different movement, but pain is there and is gettin worse!!!

Bro I have gone through the same thing, though maybe not as severe. I had two bulged disks about 4 years ago that still nag me. Believe me I know what you mean by lower back pain, and I also know what you mean by a lower back pump from working to rebuild my lower back. The pump = fantastic. The pain of a real back injury is horrible. It affects every motion you do. So in short, do your PCT as you would have had you finished your cycle. You've definitely already shut stuff down. And I think most Vets on here would tell you to wait as long as your cycle was to start another. So after the last day of PCT start an 8 week count down. That's just from reading up on here though, not experience since I'm just finishing first cycle. Can any Vet back me up on this to be safe?

**longhornDr** · 04-08-2004, 11:00 AM

Have you been to a doctor for this? If you have radiating pain you really need to stop trying to work through it and get it looked at. You could be doing serious damage to your spine by continuing lifting.

**fabry** · 04-08-2004, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by BASK8KACE

You keep talking about pain as opposed to a "painful pump." I usually hear people refer to a painful lower back pump. But, you talk about pain "everywhere from back to glutes to legs" so I wonder whether there is something more to it.

Some things to think about:
1. Is the pain from the pumped feeling or a different kind of pain?
2. Is the pain a result of you lifting too heavy while on cycle and causing damage rather than a result of the cycle itself?
3. Do you think you could have a slipped disk or other back damage?

To answer your original questions:
1. Time on cycle should = time off cycle.
2. Even though your cycle has been cut short, your HPTA has probably been affected. So, if you were planning to do PCT after your full cylce, then do it the same as you would have had you run the full cylce. Your PCT should begin according to the following:

PCT should start:
Anadrol /Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca : 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol : 4 - 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 3 weeks after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 - 14 days after last injection
Sustanon : 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 4 - 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 - 12 hours after last administration

my pain was there before i started my cycle but went to a therapyst in jan and feb and when i started my cycle i though i was ok!
but the heavier lifts and maybe some "bad" movement, made this bastard came back!!!
it is not dbol pump... ive never had them! this is something REAL that i just forgot about coz my therapyst told things were better... but....
i will start my pct the 18th of april, 2 weeks after last shot.
will do the 300-100-50 for 21 days!
thanks

**BASK8KACE** · 04-08-2004, 05:31 PM

If you have that kind of pain now, you should do anything and everything possible to take care of it while you're still young. If you don't, then when you get older your pain and complications will be 10 times worse than they are now.

Best of luck.

**scotttiger54** · 04-08-2004, 06:44 PM

bro there just isn't any use in continuing your cycle. take some time off and let your back recuperate. Remember, having a healthy lower back can be the key to living a good life style