1st cycle

**futurefitnessmodel** · 04-13-2004, 12:48 PM

I am 5'11, 188-190 lbs, and around 10-11% bf. I have been lifting for five years and have been doing quite a bit of research for the past year or two on AS. Doing a lot of talking to a vet on here and finding a legit source from him, here is what I'm planning on. This is my first cycle and I am 21.

My main goal is to cut/harden up and add 10-15 lbs of clean, lean muscle.

Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg EW
Weeks 1-12 EQ 400mg EW
Weeks 10-15 Winny Tabs 50mg ED
1-12 Nolva 10 mg ED

PCT (1 day after Winny)
Day 1 300mg Clomid/20mg Nolva
Day 2-21 100mg Clomid/20mg Nolva
Day 22-28 20mg Nolva

Any comments, questions?

**quebecbulk** · 04-13-2004, 12:52 PM

very nicely planned cycle, you really did do your homework

Only thing you could do is add something for a jumpstart since eq and enth could take a while to kick in....maybe some prop or dbol .

**houseofpain** · 04-13-2004, 12:53 PM

good job bro, its nice to see folks actually research before just putting stuff into their bodies. keep us informed, peace bro.

**monstercojones** · 04-13-2004, 12:54 PM

i would run both compounds longer as eq is really a 'late cycle' steroid . your best gains from it should come in weeks 8-?...

mabye consider 14-16 weeks for this cycle and run the eq a week less than the test so that they both clear your system at the same time.

**houseofpain** · 04-13-2004, 12:55 PM

oh yeah i would suggest adding maybe some d-bols or something in the first 4 weeks to jumpstart while your waiting for other stuff to start taking off...

**SoCalMuscle** · 04-13-2004, 12:59 PM

Similar to what I have planned, keep us informed on how it goes. I would suggest stopping the EQ a week before the Test though.

**sepjuice** · 04-13-2004, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by futurefitnessmodel

I am 5'11, 188-190 lbs, and around 10-11% bf. I have been lifting for five years and have been doing quite a bit of research for the past year or two on AS. Doing a lot of talking to a vet on here and finding a legit source from him, here is what I'm planning on. This is my first cycle and I am 21.

My main goal is to cut/harden up and add 10-15 lbs of clean, lean muscle.

Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg EW
Weeks 1-12 EQ 400mg EW
Weeks 10-15 Winny Tabs 50mg ED
1-12 Nolva 10 mg ED

PCT (1 day after Winny)
Day 1 300mg Clomid/20mg Nolva
Day 2-21 100mg Clomid/20mg Nolva
Day 22-28 20mg Nolva

Any comments, questions?

looks good bro

**futurefitnessmodel** · 04-13-2004, 01:07 PM

Thanks you guys...actually, I had run a rough draft of my 1st cycle on here a day or two ago. This is the final revised version after hearing from some other people. I don't want to add the Dbol for now because of the cost this is already costing and I don't want to be fooling around with too much my first time. I think I should get some kick a** gains off of this and really cut up. I have some pics that I took today that I'll attach.

Peace out.

**futurefitnessmodel** · 04-13-2004, 01:16 PM

Pics as promised. Taken today.

**LuvMuhRoids** · 04-13-2004, 01:19 PM

Youre not going to see much advances until the 4-5th week. I would suggest kick starting with prop ED for the first 4 weeks so you dont get discouraged. Prop has less water retention than dbol but it's your choice. It's a good cycle. I like the winny for hardening towards the end.

**futurefitnessmodel** · 04-13-2004, 01:33 PM

Quick question...what do u guys think about dropping the EQ and adding Dbol tabs (20mg ED) for the first four weeks?

**futurefitnessmodel** · 04-13-2004, 01:36 PM

Or just leave the EQ in for the first 11 weeks and add the dbol to it?

**futurefitnessmodel** · 04-13-2004, 01:40 PM

Im looking to try and keep down water retention as much as possible while droppin a bf % or two and gainin' lean muscle if that wasn't clearly stated earlier.

**futurefitnessmodel** · 04-13-2004, 01:52 PM

Weeks 1-12 500mg Test E EW
Weeks 1-11 400mg EQ EW
Weeks 1-4 25mg DBol tabs ED
Weeks 10-15 50mg Winny tabs ED

How's that look?

**futurefitnessmodel** · 04-13-2004, 02:00 PM

Which cycle do you guys think would be better the so-called "Final" one i first posted or this last one with the addition of dbol and one less week of EQ?

I don't wanna do anything too long since this is my first AS cycle. Comments are appreciated.

**monstercojones** · 04-13-2004, 02:03 PM

the most recent cycle you posted looks good... i would up the dbol to 35 mgs ed.

if you want to lose bf and gain some size, you have a hard road ahead. remember that you can do a cutting cycle with dbol included, it's all about your diet and training/rest. those factors are more crucial than any gear you use.

**futurefitnessmodel** · 04-13-2004, 02:05 PM

Good point...I have been eating well and can tell I am already dropping fat. In addition, I do 30 min. of running 4 days a week (from 6.6-7.0 mph minimum)

**damiongage** · 04-13-2004, 02:12 PM

cycle looks almost perfect
i would run it like this:

wk 1-4 dbol 35mg ed
wk 1-13 test e 600mg ew (or stick with 500)
wk 1-12 eq 400mg ew
wk 10-15 winny 50mg ed (i would leave it out, but you want it)
wk 1-15 nolva 10mg ed/ wk 16-18 20mg ed
wk 1-18 l-dex .25mg ed
wk 16-18 clomid

**Justincase** · 04-14-2004, 08:53 AM

Guys.....what has happened to a "Test Only" first cycle???? almost everyone a couple
months ago said it was the best for the"first time user".......that it gave them a chance
to see how there body would react and that there gains would be good with out dumping a bunch of drugs in there body. ??????

**usualsuspect** · 04-14-2004, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by damiongage

cycle looks almost perfect
i would run it like this:

wk 1-4 dbol 35mg ed
wk 1-13 test e 600mg ew (or stick with 500)
wk 1-12 eq 400mg ew
wk 10-15 winny 50mg ed (i would leave it out, but you want it)
wk 1-15 nolva 10mg ed/ wk 16-18 20mg ed
wk 1-18 l-dex .25mg ed
wk 16-18 clomid

Did you miss the part where he said this is his first cycle?

I agree with Justin, 500mgs of Test-E is plenly for a first cycle. Later down the road as your training experience and diet evolve, you can add another compound or two to each subsequent cycle.

**Justincase** · 04-14-2004, 12:56 PM

bump

**Justincase** · 04-15-2004, 07:24 AM

come on guys....................has the standard changed?

**Russ616** · 04-15-2004, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Justincase

Guys.....what has happened to a "Test Only" first cycle???? almost everyone a couple
months ago said it was the best for the"first time user".......that it gave them a chance
to see how there body would react and that there gains would be good with out dumping a bunch of drugs in there body. ??????

I 100% agree, just because the guy did research doesn't mean his FIRST CYCLE can include dbol , winstrol , test enth, eq. This is a pretty advance cycle and you guys are saying RUN THE CYCLE LONGER, ADD DBOL, UP THE DBOL TO 35MGS. This doesn't sound like the anabolic review I am used to.