Testicular shrinkage

[dogsofwar]

Ok great. This is happening to me right now during this cycle. So with this in mind, a few questions that I am unclear on after reading through many posts.

Nolvadex is used to prevent aromatase and gyno.
Clomid is primarily for PCT and to get the body to begin producing natural
testosterone again.
What is used to prevent testicular shrinkage and should I be worried about it?
Secondly, would it be a bad idea to use clomid during a cycle to produce even more testosterone naturally? Thanks again ~dow

[Pale Horse]

You need HCG, tribulus posibly some yohimbe. TRib and yohimbe cabn easily be found HCG is a little harder. HCG would be the main one to bring them back to size.

[birsling]

What is the cycle? You said, "this cycle". Do not worry about shrinkage, it will come back with proper PCT.

[dogsofwar]

My cycle for the most part is based on NSA's post. Slightly modified:

week 1
10 grams Androgel daily
10 mgs M1T
200mgs Hawthorne Berry
Just finished week 1. No change in diet, same workout routine (martial arts and weights). I have gained 5 lbs and have lost body fat. I am extremely hard gainer and I am quite amazed at the initial results. The only side effects that I have had were hot flashes (only one day with those). No real need to take Nolva considering M1T does not create an aromatase effect. The androgel would if taken in a higer dose. Have felt a tiny bit of lethargy today. Otherwise, sexual characteristics have been great! When I am finished with this 4 week cycle, I will post before and after pics.

week 2-4 (daily)
10 mgs Androgel
15 mgs M1T
200mgs Hawthorne Berry
400mgs 4derm

PCT (Per "nsa")
Weeks 5-8: Clomid Therapy, 300 mg of clomid first day, 100 mg of clomid next 10 days, 50 mg of clomid for final 10 days of clomid therapy.
Weeks 5-8: Milk Thistle 1000 mg of milk thistle ED

Currently into the second week and nutz are chumped.

[birsling]

My cycle for the most part is based on NSA's post. Slightly modified:


Currently into the second week and nutz are chumped.

Chumped, you're killing me

Don't worry about it. You are probably just more prone to shrinkage than some people. They will come back. Like said above. Drop some Trib into your PCT. I would do some Nolva with your PCT also. The rest looks pretty good. Very similar to what I am finishing right now.

[birsling]

By the way, I didn't notice you bumping to 15mg. I did 10 throughout. I would really look into Nolva to curve any estro rebound post cycle. Read into it in the FAQ's, or hit up NSA.

[dogsofwar]

M1t doesn't aromatase though. However, 4derm does, so I will start the Nolva. Do you think I could get by with 10mgs of Nolva instead of 20? I have 20/20 mg tabs.

[birsling]

You can probably get away with 10mg. I think that NSA goes overboard on the PCT just to be safe (in fact, I think that he will tell you that). Better safe than sorry, but you will probably be fine.

[dogsofwar]

Cool. I will order some more JIC. Looks like CNW is out geez.. now what...

[birsling]

cnw? am I not thinking right, or do I not know what that is. If you shouldn't post it, pm me with it

[dogsofwar]

Check your pm...bra

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Birsling, did you run nolva all the way thru or just PCT? I forgot what you said in the post that had everything.

[birsling]

Birsling, did you run nolva all the way thru or just PCT? I forgot what you said in the post that had everything.

Just PCT, no need to run during cycle. No estro conversion while on cycle.

[dogsofwar]

The 4derm, according to studies does aromatase. Its right there on UL website (for newbies, that is conversion of testosterone to estrogen). So if your going to use 4derm, use nolva.

[Pale Horse]

Hello! If all you are worried about is your grapes turning into raisons you need HCG.
This is typically run midcycle through the end. Nolva alone will not bring them back on cycle.

[builtthekid]

I second the motion use the hcg keep your boys the same size.

[dogsofwar]

HCG for deeeeez nizzles!! Thats gondotrope right? Hmmm... Sounds expensive. Havn't searched for that before.

[Pale Horse]

Yep. Its around 40-50 bucks for 5000iu which should serve your purpose.

[eacman65]

expensive