Really Need Help, So Many Mixed Opinions, Please :-)

[mithical]

Ello Ello, Im getting awfully confused with all the mixed opinions in books, on sites, from members, im trying to find out for myself and really dont know what to beleive. Im 20 Years young, 6ft, am 15% body fat and weigh 10.5st I need a suitable cycle bearing in mind its my first, im defined any ways, struggle to put fat on so thats not a worry and im aiming for the 12 stone mark. Please, if you have any sound advice id be very gratefull. I need types, combinations quantities, anti's, how to and when to with what. Id really appreciate this guys, im reading non stop but theres so much crap out there, i just want to learn from the experienced, read/research for my self and eventually give back to this superb community when im able to give sound opinions. Cya geezas, take it eazy, Tom

[mithical]

Oh yeah, obviously whey etc. but any other pacific supplements, vitamins that are essentual or atleast benificial? Thank you

[w_rballs]

well first i will say i think u are too yoiung. 10.5 stone isnt much if im not mistaken. u need to gain weight first naturally, then we can talk

[w_rballs]

im not trying to be a dick bro, but im just saying what u will hear from alot of members on this board. wait until u are 22 preferably to start juicing. and gain weight naturally. check out the diet forum for diet advice

[Jackman]

im not trying to be a dick bro, but im just saying what u will hear from alot of members on this board. wait until u are 22 preferably to start juicing. and gain weight naturally. check out the diet forum for diet advice

Im 20 and already did 2 cycles and i dont know if i regret it but then again ill always wonder how much i could of got naturally.

But for first cyle if your going to do it anyway might as well shoot yea in the right direction.

Test E 500mg for 1-10 weeks

See how your body reacts to that then you can plan your other cycles accordingly.

Look up pct , nolva

[AandF6969]

You can gain so much naturally... all you have to do is change up your diet some, and the gains will start to appear. Check out the bulking sticky in the diet forum

[mithical]

Hey all, thanks again for the advice, accoring to the docs my growth plates have set so no more grownth as such, guess my testoterone levels dont peak until 22 hense the advice, I however have tried so many diets, some of which designed pecifically for me, my weight, my lifestyle and all aimed at generating mass. I really plateau around 11.25st, its really hard from then on to get anywhere, hense the suggestion of doin a cycle. If I was concidered foolish, and too young yet decided to go ahead with a simple cycle what whould you guys advise for mass, i can cut later naturally. Thanks again. Tom

[mithical]

Oh yeah, i dont eat veg, full stop, potatoes and fruit yea but im a seriously fussy eater, any supplements that are able to marginly fill in for these essentuals? Thanks again guys.

[gibsonlpsd]

Hey all, thanks again for the advice, accoring to the docs my growth plates have set so no more grownth as such, guess my testoterone levels dont peak until 22 hense the advice, I however have tried so many diets, some of which designed pecifically for me, my weight, my lifestyle and all aimed at generating mass. I really plateau around 11.25st, its really hard from then on to get anywhere, hense the suggestion of doin a cycle. If I was concidered foolish, and too young yet decided to go ahead with a simple cycle what whould you guys advise for mass, i can cut later naturally. Thanks again. Tom

just do a simple cycle like jackman suggested

wks 1-10 test e. 500mgs a week

research pct and research the anti-e's you will need

[mithical]

OK thanks, happy lifting, and good health, Tom

[mithical]

Hi, dont think the supplier has test E, whats the full name? Here are the injectable choices -

BOLDENONE (Equipoise) 10ml x 250mg/ml = 2500mg £72.00
CYPIONAX 10 Ampules x 200mg per 2ml amp £40.00
DANABOLAN (Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate) 76mg/1.5ml x 2 £50.00
DECA-DURABOLIN 3 Ampules x 100mg £14.00
HCG 1 Amp : 5000 i.u. Sold in 1 Amp 5000 i.u. Pairs £30.00
ILUM BOLDERBAL-H 1 vial x 10ml (Equipoise) £52.00
NORDITROPIN. 4IU (1.3mg) H.G.H. £75.00
PRIMOBOLAN DEPOT 1 x 100ml Ampule £11.00
STANOL (Winstrol) 5amps x 50mg/ml i.u. £30.00
STANOZOLOL (Winstrol) 10ml x 50mg/ml = 500mg £53.00
SUSTANON 250 x 3 Ampules.250mg £13.00
TESTOSTERONE COMPOUND ( Sustanon ) 10ml x 250mg/ml = 2500mg £40.00
TESTOVIRON DEPOT 20 Ampules x 1ml £120.00
TRENBOL (Trenbolone Acetate) 10ml x 75mg/ml = 750mgs. £54.00
WINSTROL DEPOT 1 Ampule x 50mg 1ml via i.m. £13.50

And here are the oral choices -

ANABOL 5mg x 1000 Tablets £135.00
ANABOL Loose 5mg x 100 Tablets £17.00
ANDRIOL 40mg x 100 Capsules £52.00
ANDROLIC (Oxytone) 100 x 50mg. Tablets £130.00
ANDROLIC (Oxytone) 20 x 50mg Tablets £35.00
CETABON (Anabolic Formula) 200 Tablets per box £22.00
DANABOL 500 x 10mg. Tablets £100.00
DANABOL Loose 100 x 10mg Tablets £26.00
DI-ANABOL-10 (Methandienone) 100 x 10mg Tablets £27.00
DI-ANABOL-10 (Methandienone) 10mg Tablets x 500 £110.00
DIANABOL (Methandienone) 100 Tablets x 10mg £19.00
MEN HORMONE 20mg x 30 Tablets £12.00
METESTO (Methyltestosterone) 25mg x 100 Tablets £20.00
OXANABOL (Oxandrolone-Anavar) 50 x 10mg Tablets £105.00
OXANDROLONE 2.5mg x 200.Tablets £62.00
OXYTONE 50 (Oxymetholone) 100 Tablets x 50mg. £90.00
STANOL (Stanozolol) 5mg x 200 Tablets £30.00
STANOZOLOL (Winstrol) 100 x 10mg Tablets £30.00
STANZOL (Stanozolol) 5mg x 200 Tablets £30.00
WINSTROL (Stanozolol) 100 x 50mg Tablets £130.00

Im pretty sure this source is reliable, and genuine, this is their range, perhaps i need to look else where unlee TEST E has an alternitive name,

Thanks again,

Tom

[mithical]

Miaooooooww

[Anhydro78]

How heavy is 12 stone??? What is the conversion to pounds???

You can substitute the Testosterone Enanthate for Testosterone Cypoinate and I think that is called Cypoinax on your list there. They are about the same thing.

[mithical]

im 147 lbs at present, weeee man

[mithical]

that 147 lbs at around 11 stone, guess 12 stones a bit more but is my target at the moment. TY

[mithical]

Hi, dont think the supplier has test E, whats the full name? Here are the injectable choices -

BOLDENONE (Equipoise) 10ml x 250mg/ml = 2500mg £72.00
CYPIONAX 10 Ampules x 200mg per 2ml amp £40.00
DANABOLAN (Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate) 76mg/1.5ml x 2 £50.00
DECA-DURABOLIN 3 Ampules x 100mg £14.00
HCG 1 Amp : 5000 i.u. Sold in 1 Amp 5000 i.u. Pairs £30.00
ILUM BOLDERBAL-H 1 vial x 10ml (Equipoise) £52.00
NORDITROPIN. 4IU (1.3mg) H.G.H. £75.00
PRIMOBOLAN DEPOT 1 x 100ml Ampule £11.00
STANOL (Winstrol) 5amps x 50mg/ml i.u. £30.00
STANOZOLOL (Winstrol) 10ml x 50mg/ml = 500mg £53.00
SUSTANON 250 x 3 Ampules.250mg £13.00
TESTOSTERONE COMPOUND ( Sustanon ) 10ml x 250mg/ml = 2500mg £40.00
TESTOVIRON DEPOT 20 Ampules x 1ml £120.00
TRENBOL (Trenbolone Acetate) 10ml x 75mg/ml = 750mgs. £54.00
WINSTROL DEPOT 1 Ampule x 50mg 1ml via i.m. £13.50

And here are the oral choices -

ANABOL 5mg x 1000 Tablets £135.00
ANABOL Loose 5mg x 100 Tablets £17.00
ANDRIOL 40mg x 100 Capsules £52.00
ANDROLIC (Oxytone) 100 x 50mg. Tablets £130.00
ANDROLIC (Oxytone) 20 x 50mg Tablets £35.00
CETABON (Anabolic Formula) 200 Tablets per box £22.00
DANABOL 500 x 10mg. Tablets £100.00
DANABOL Loose 100 x 10mg Tablets £26.00
DI-ANABOL-10 (Methandienone) 100 x 10mg Tablets £27.00
DI-ANABOL-10 (Methandienone) 10mg Tablets x 500 £110.00
DIANABOL (Methandienone) 100 Tablets x 10mg £19.00
MEN HORMONE 20mg x 30 Tablets £12.00
METESTO (Methyltestosterone) 25mg x 100 Tablets £20.00
OXANABOL (Oxandrolone-Anavar) 50 x 10mg Tablets £105.00
OXANDROLONE 2.5mg x 200.Tablets £62.00
OXYTONE 50 (Oxymetholone) 100 Tablets x 50mg. £90.00
STANOL (Stanozolol) 5mg x 200 Tablets £30.00
STANOZOLOL (Winstrol) 100 x 10mg Tablets £30.00
STANZOL (Stanozolol) 5mg x 200 Tablets £30.00
WINSTROL (Stanozolol) 100 x 50mg Tablets £130.00

Im pretty sure this source is reliable, and genuine, this is their range, perhaps i need to look else where unlee TEST E has an alternitive name,

Thanks again,

Tom

[Duke of Earl]

How tall are you mithical? How do you train & what's a brief run down of your diet? 11.25 stone is pretty light - I'd be surprised if you couldn't gain any more natrually - If you're not eating / training correctly now, then taking AS is not gonna do alot for you.

[mithical]

Hi, Im 6ft, im eating 4000 calorires a day, usual 20% fat 20% pro 60% carb divided into 6 meals a day aswell as snacking inbeween. Im training 5 times a week, an hour - and hour and half each afternoon, different area each day etc. I always struggle getting above 11 stone, im sure it just my body set up. I cant put fat on. Ive tried bulking, it aint happening, muscle is the only way i put weight on and that generally plateaus at 11.25 stone. Im eating the house out, jacket potatoes- lots of bannanas, porridge oats, flapjack, cerial, steak, bacon, eggs, bannanas, chicken, peanut butter, half aloaf, rice, pasta, any thing infront of me, thats my diet day in day out as well as additives. Im a fussy fussy eater. Thanks again, Tom

[BigJames]

You want the Cypionax...is is Testosterone Cypionate and is a suitable replacement for the Test E, which is short for Testosterone Enanthate. Both come pretty standard in 200mg/ml strength. I would stay away from orals for your first cycle. You really have tried everything to gain naturally? I am 6'1" and about 16 stone (226lbs) and have achieved this naturally. Are you training hard enough? Not trying to bring you down...it is just a good question to ask yourself every once and a while. If you do not know how to train the juice is a waste of money and will not yield what it would in a couple of years with more experience. If you decide to proceed with the gear, read the thread by RON in the educational forum entitled "What should I do for my first cycle" or something like that anyway. If is excellent. It includes advise on PCT and anti-e as well. Good luck.

[BigJames]

And dude....more protein. Given the diet you described I am in shock that you are not gaining like crazy, especially at your current mass. Are you training hard? Or are you just lifting weights?

[Duke of Earl]

I'm not having a go, but....I don't think you can be training correctly - you may be doing too much volume & not lifting heavy enough or overtraining or something - @ 6ft & 11 stone you should almost definately be able to gain more natrually.....
Also personally I'd up your protein intake - if you're training hard enough then you'll need the extra.....

[mithical]

hi, again thanks for that, i honestly have trained hard, very hard, i appreciate your advice, its al good, thanks again, Tom

[mithical]

hi, im doing around 4 reps up to 6 and up to 12 sets of each working the whole muscle group with variations at a time. Leaving 3 mins between each set. Their as heavy as i can get and im always upping gradualy each sesion, my m8's cant beleive it either, i just remain strong and slim, could be just my genetics etc? thanks again, any additional infos appreciated, Tom

[mithical]

Oh yeah, really want to check my source is A.O.K, dont think its a wize idea to post it, any one familliar with genuine online pharms, i can give a clue, seems legit, all recorded delivery which has to be signed for, credit card payment, A-S-C sound familliar, (Tony) just a clue. Its ok 4 me, im in the Uk and appears legal within reason for personal use. Eazy bruvas

[mithical]

OK thats enough thanks guys, happy ARF's. cyaaaaaaaa