hey all new to the board just have a quick question concerning dbol. All of my previous steroid experience has been with steroids that do not aromatize a great deal such as fina and winny. Therefore the gains i made were minimal but were lean. Having dbol available to me i decided to give it a try. I know i may get flamed for a dbol only cycle without throwing test in the mix or somethign but i cannot afford it right now and this is all i am doing. I am taking 25mg day for 8 weeks with milk thistle and clomid post cycle. i have nolvadex on hand in case i need it. This is the 12th day into my cycle and i have gained 12lbs so far. This seem like alot of weight to me as from what i have read typical dbol gains are 2-4lbs a week? i don't care if i am holding onto water.. cause i love the added strength benefit... its just the fat i'm worried about. my waist measurement has increased by 3/4" since starting the dbol. However before the dbol i was on a cutting diet therefore i was starving and never had much food in me. So now the measurements are all on a full stomach. What i would like to know about he dbol because this being my first experience with it.. this bloat everybody talks about... i know they are referring to water retention but do they mean in the stomach region as well. because i am definately eating more food.. not counting calories but i woudl presume around 4-5500 at the moment. I am never hungry because i am eating a ton but always feel like my stomach is aobut ot burst open at the seems. Even upon waking after fasting for the night my stomach still feels full and bloated. So what i was wondering was is this what is referred to as teh dbol bloat? do u actually feel it in your stomach or is it just supposed to be the water retention associated with your muscles? Also does the waist measurement sound about right or am i gaining alot of fat? any suggestions on how to keep the fat gain minimal on this cycle would be much appreciated. I am cutting out carbs in my last two meals of hte day and stilll gaining weight like a mofo so obvioulsly i'm getting enough food and i am walking for cardio for 30 minutes everyday to try and keep the fat down.. any help or suggestions with my cycle woudl be much appreciated. Thanks very much