Oxandrolone or Prohormonal?

[Kersh]

Hello

This morning i was investigating about oxandrolone and the chemical name I see BigCat profile (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catanavar.htm), and this other of intox (http://www.intox.org/databank/docume...ctionTitle:3.2)

On the two i see:

BigCat: 5 alpha-androstan-2-oxa-17 alpha-methyl-17 beta-ol-3-one
Intox: 17beta-Hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-2-oxa-5alpha-androstan-3-one
molecular weight: 306

They are identically changing the groups order and the same molecular weight, then i know the "official" farmaceutic oxandrolone.

Later, investigating more i see in other labs

2-Nor-5a-androstane-1,3-diacid, 17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-1,3-seco
molecular weight: 338.44


And it is sold like oxandrolone. Its probably that i commit a mistake, but i think they are prohormonals and differs a lot of the "real" oxandrolone.

In addition it surprises to me, it don't know that exist prohormonal oxanandrolone, and I see many derivatives...

I commit a mistake? Its a thymus? Its Real? Anyone knows ?

[Duke of Earl]

Wtf??!!!

[Kersh]

I think that are laboratories who sell derivatives of oxandrolone that is not the same and have less power, but they say that he is oxandrolone.

[Duke of Earl]

eh??

[ryan9101]

I have no idea wtf you are talking about.

[KINGKONG]

I think I get you, laungage barrier killing us I thnk...There fake they just use real names to sell there product..I think he's asking if the pro-hormones that are named like real ones d-boll,winnstrol,anavar,etc.. actually real??

[Paullusion]

oh you mean like oxavar from gaspari. it's MOHN.

[Duke of Earl]

I think he's asking if the pro-hormones that are named like real ones d-boll,winnstrol,anavar,etc.. actually real??

ahhh in that case the answer is yes they're real in that they exist, but no they prolly wont do a whole lot to help you

[Kersh]

Hello!

Sorry for my bad english, I tell you again.

Yesterday investigating about oxandrolone, i see the BigCat profile(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catanavar.htm), and intox profile(http://www.intox.org/databank/docume...ctionTitle:3.2)

In both we see :

Bigcat

Molecular formula: C19H30O5
Chemical Name: 5 alpha-androstan-2-oxa-17 alpha-methyl-17 beta-ol-3-one
Molecular Weight: 306
Molecular structure:


Intox
Molecular formula: C19H30O5
Chemical Name: 17beta-Hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-2-oxa-5alpha-androstan-3-one
Molecular Weight: 306
Molecular structure: not available but is the same product and the same structure

They are equal on molecular formula, chemical name and molecular weight, with that I thought that this oxandrolone is the "real".

But later, seeing other laboratories webpages I found other oxandrolones.


Lab A:
Molecular formula: C19H30O5
Chemical Name: 2-Nor-5a- androstane- 1,3-diacid, 17b-hydroxy -17a- methyl-1,3-seco
Molecular Weight: 338.44
Molecular structure:



Lab B:
Molecular formula: C19H30O5
Chemical Name: not available
Molecular Weight:not available
Molecular structure: not available



This labs call this products oxandrolone, but differs a lot of the first products.

Then I think: Is the same oxandrolone? Will this derivates work like the real oxandrolone or it will be a crap?

Sorry if you dont understand me

[Logan13]

Hello!

Sorry for my bad english, I tell you again.

Yesterday investigating about oxandrolone, i see the BigCat profile(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catanavar.htm), and intox profile(http://www.intox.org/databank/docume...ctionTitle:3.2)

In both we see :

Bigcat

Molecular formula: C19H30O5
Chemical Name: 5 alpha-androstan-2-oxa-17 alpha-methyl-17 beta-ol-3-one
Molecular Weight: 306
Molecular structure:


Intox
Molecular formula: C19H30O5
Chemical Name: 17beta-Hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-2-oxa-5alpha-androstan-3-one
Molecular Weight: 306
Molecular structure: not available but is the same product and the same structure

They are equal on molecular formula, chemical name and molecular weight, with that I thought that this oxandrolone is the "real".

But later, seeing other laboratories webpages I found other oxandrolones.


Lab A:
Molecular formula: C19H30O5
Chemical Name: 2-Nor-5a- androstane- 1,3-diacid, 17b-hydroxy -17a- methyl-1,3-seco
Molecular Weight: 338.44
Molecular structure:



Lab B:
Molecular formula: C19H30O5
Chemical Name: not available
Molecular Weight:not available
Molecular structure: not available



This labs call this products oxandrolone, but differs a lot of the first products.

Then I think: Is the same oxandrolone? Will this derivates work like the real oxandrolone or it will be a crap?

Sorry if you dont understand me

The later is chemically different from the two former. Oxandrolone is Oxandrolone. The "knock-off" has moved a few of the bonds around, on paper it does not look so bad, but it is. The later will not work like Oxandrolone. Nuff said.

[Duke of Earl]

The later will not work like Oxandrolone. Nuff said.

yes even single molecule alterations of AAS can give them a totally different profile and level of effectiveness

[Paullusion]

Lab B, has the moloecular formula as C19H30O5 but there is only 2 oxygens, still 19 carbons, but i only count 23 hydrogens

[tech]

think of it this way, H2O is water, but modify it slightly to H2O2 and it becomes hydrogen peroxide. similar chemical makeups does not give similar results