IS this kid on the juice?

**Cdub** · 08-06-2005, 06:43 AM

J-Mee Samuels
what do yall think. here are his times. he is 17
# Outdoor DyeStat Elite US#1, 100m , 10.08 USR
# Outdoor DyeStat Elite US#1 200m, 20.32
# Pan Am Juniors, 100m 10.20
# US Junior Nationals, 100m, 10.58
# Nike Outdoor Nationals 100m, 10.34
# Nike Outdoor Nationals 200m, 20.76
# Arcadia 200m, 21.10
# Indoor DyeStat Elite US#1, 200m, 21.22
# Nike Indoor Nationals 200m, 21.22
# Simplot 60m, 6.72
# Simplot 200m, 21.47

**Nicky B** · 08-06-2005, 09:46 AM

I wouldn't say yes but I knew a few kids in my high school that could run 100m in under 10.5 and were all natty.

**Nicky B** · 08-06-2005, 09:48 AM

Now if you see a 18 year old kid throwing a shotput over 55feet then I would say yes. Unless the kid is 6'5 or taller.

**_Tiger_** · 08-06-2005, 09:52 AM

That kid is 17??!!!! wow.....

**deuce-is-loose** · 08-06-2005, 10:22 AM

i would say he is on something.

**symatech** · 08-06-2005, 10:37 AM

could be that he's on. Or it could be that he just knows how to train and eat properly and is taking full advantage of the flood of natural testosterone in his body at his young age.

**Cdub** · 08-06-2005, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by symatech

could be that he's on. Or it could be that he just knows how to train and eat properly and is taking full advantage of the flood of natural testosterone in his body at his young age.

yea if is coach is that smart. but he has some huge quads.

**scriptfactory** · 08-06-2005, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Cdub

yea if is coach is that smart. but he has some huge quads.

I've known a lot of teenage sprinters with awesome physiques but none were that thick looking. For that kid to get that thick at 17yo he is either: 1) juicing, 2) a genetic anomaly or 3) short (<5'7").

**BigRandy** · 08-06-2005, 01:34 PM

that is a huge 17 yr old

**100m champ** · 08-06-2005, 03:52 PM

HHAHA i know some high school runners that run 10.50, genetics also play a big role in you speed. theres alot of guys that juice that cant even break 11 seconds.

**Needforspeed** · 08-06-2005, 11:09 PM

He's on a looot of shit...Nuff' said heh.

**Cdub** · 08-07-2005, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by 100m champ

HHAHA i know some high school runners that run 10.50, genetics also play a big role in you speed. theres alot of guys that juice that cant even break 11 seconds.

10.5 i ran that in highschool. this dude ran 10.07

**Squatman51** · 08-07-2005, 01:02 AM

10.07 is close to olympic speed at 17

**Squatman51** · 08-07-2005, 01:03 AM

i wouldnt doubt if he doesnt even lift weights

**Squatman51** · 08-07-2005, 01:04 AM

no offense to anyone but alot of black people are genetic freaks... thats just how it is

**Cdub** · 08-07-2005, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Squatman51

no offense to anyone but alot of black people are genetic freaks... thats just how it is

Yes we are!!

**buckeyefootball4** · 08-07-2005, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Cdub

Yes we are!!

LOL...

**TCEL300** · 08-07-2005, 03:50 PM

nah i dont think he is on the sauce....he has been a big name for many years..nice progression...,i have seen his training log somewhere b4 (i was a big runner in HS) and its insane..so he is coached very well..i would be very surprised if he was on juice..but i have been wrong b4..once or twice

**100m champ** · 08-07-2005, 03:56 PM

Daaaam.. 10.07 is blazing fast. I know alot of black folks that dont even lift weights and are big and fast.. Man i seen this black dude 16 year run 10.70 and he looks like he is 120 pounds and skinny as hell.. GENTICS PLAY A BIG ROLE IN BEING FAST, NOT JUST BEING BIG, I seen alot of big giant guys that dont even break 11 seconds.

**diesel21** · 08-13-2005, 05:30 AM

why does anyone that looks good or performs well have to be on something?
i awlays ran under 11 in the 100m, and never trained at all, i can still do it and i'm 190 lbs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

**Cdub** · 08-13-2005, 07:03 AM

running under 11 and running 10.07 is a big difference. was your times hand or electronic. his are electronic which means he runs around 9.87 hand time. pretty fast for a 17 year old. I dont think he is on the juice, but i wouldnt doubt it. I know a few highschool kids that juice now.

**diesel21** · 08-14-2005, 12:10 PM

i have no clue, just stating my opinion bro

**FlyByU** · 08-14-2005, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by 100m champ

Daaaam.. 10.07 is blazing fast. I know alot of black folks that dont even lift weights and are big and fast.. Man i seen this black dude 16 year run 10.70 and he looks like he is 120 pounds and skinny as hell.. GENTICS PLAY A BIG ROLE IN BEING FAST, NOT JUST BEING BIG, I seen alot of big giant guys that dont even break 11 seconds.

So, i take it you're not black 100mChamp...

**IBdmfkr** · 08-14-2005, 09:30 PM

why ask a question that nobody here can possibly answer. this thread is pointless.

**100m champ** · 08-15-2005, 12:30 AM

lol ya it kinda is.. You could put a millions guys up asking if there on juice.. Everyone knows alot of athleates juice and always will be

**powerliftmike** · 08-20-2005, 01:24 PM

Ah, that's nothing I was huge when I was 17. Haha, nah not really. Black people, in general, develop faster than white people. White people just develop slower; but in the end both get the same size, with most whites usually being bulkier.

This is true of anybody tho, regardless of race. Some people just develop fast.

**400mtrackstar** · 11-12-2005, 09:07 PM

If he has been fast for a long time I wouldnt be suprised if he coaches have been slipping him some kind of growth factor. He may also have some type of myostatin deformity like that german muscle boy. Natural is a relative word but imo this kid is not natural but who cares hes fast as @#$%.

**junit37** · 11-13-2005, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Squatman51

no offense to anyone but alot of black people are genetic freaks... thats just how it is

Alot of black people are also full of shit!!!!!

**scriptfactory** · 11-13-2005, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by junit37

Alot of black people are also full of shit!!!!!

A lot of <insert junit's race here> people also make a lot of false accusations.

**farrebarre** · 11-13-2005, 05:46 AM

what if your all wrong...and hes not 17?

**juicy_brucy** · 11-13-2005, 05:55 AM

natural. Seen a few teenagers in my day that look like that.
Every now and then, you meet someone with genetics. It doesn't necessarly mean that they are juicing...
Just because I don't look like that naturally, doesn't mean that He juices...

**100m champ** · 11-13-2005, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by junit37

Alot of black people are also full of shit!!!!!

Your full of shiit.. dont disrespect a race like that..

**JAMIE720** · 11-13-2005, 08:38 PM

Kid could definately be natural.Being that gifted has more to do with the genetics he was blessed with than anything in a bottle especially at that age.

**skiboy** · 11-13-2005, 08:49 PM

Most runners peak in there mid 20's to late 20's, just wanted to point that out. Black people where once slaves in this country and they were breed to be big and strong, the owners got more money for stronger slaves, if whites were breed to be the biggest and strongest that race would go there, kind of darwinian. i think with good genetics, training, diet and juice anything is possible.

**Shaka** · 11-13-2005, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by skiboy

Most runners peak in there mid 20's to late 20's, just wanted to point that out. Black people where once slaves in this country and they were breed to be big and strong, the owners got more money for stronger slaves, if whites were breed to be the biggest and strongest that race would go there, kind of darwinian. i think with good genetics, training, diet and juice anything is possible.

If you look at most of my post, I am an advocate for genetics as a major factor with regards to sprinting ability. However, "your breed to be big and strong" because of being "slaves in this country" (USA or a Western Country) doesn't account for fast (sub10) sprinters from AFRICA (Frank Fredericks, Seun Ogunkoya, Davidson Ezinwa, Francis Obikwelu, etc.) that were not slaves in this country. Plus, big and strong doesn’t = fast!

**Flexor** · 11-14-2005, 12:07 PM

The guy doesn't look big in the upper body, thats easy possible at 17. As for his legs, he's got the genetics and he has trained them and that is why they are well developed. But they aren't that huge, what are they, 22-23" or summin? Not much bigger

He has very small knee, wrist, elbow and shoulder joints. Are you sure any photoshopping hasn't been done? His frame doesn't look like he can carry much, see the small deltoids which are atypical of normal sprinters.

**Joey2ness** · 11-14-2005, 06:33 PM

i think he could be using something illegal other than anabolics

**Lavinco** · 11-14-2005, 07:01 PM

he is not on juice.
If you look closer at his pic you will see why he can run so fast.

**inspector_injector** · 11-14-2005, 07:51 PM

--^ That's cold as hell Lavinco but kinda funny. Sorry blacks. LOL

**inspector_injector** · 11-14-2005, 07:54 PM

Oh, and who knows if he's juicing or not. I've seen little shits that are juicing and can't bench 135, and I've seen natty fruits that are benching 315 at 18 years old. So yes genetics come into play, but don't forgot about puberty... There are late bloomers and early bloomers, no matter what, most people always catch up to eachother. Then the genetic barrier comes and the only way to break it is with the gear or something not produced in the human body.

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