Still Undecided

[Almost There]

I'm looking to put on about 20-25 pounds of solid mass and increase strength as much as possible. Here are two possible cycles, which would be better for awesome strength gains and 20-25 pounds of solid mass (4 cycles under my belt already).

1-4 50mg dbol ed
1-14 test e 500mg wk
1-12 Eq 400mg wk
2-12 tren a 75mg ed
8-14 winni 50mg ed (to cut out water)

or

1-10 prop 100mg ed
1-10 tren a 75mg ed
2-10 var 40mg ed

and of course, pct

which would be better for my goals? ed jabs is not a problem.

thanks in advance

[eGGz]

To me the first cycle is more of a bulk cycle and the second is more of a cutter.

The dbol looks good like you have it. I'd up the test a bit, 600mg EW. I prefer var over winny, just personal preference.

The best strength/bulk cycle I've ever done was Test, Tren & var with a dbol kickstart. Definately gonna do that one again someday.

[Almost There]

To me the first cycle is more of a bulk cycle and the second is more of a cutter.

The dbol looks good like you have it. I'd up the test a bit, 600mg EW. I prefer var over winny, just personal preference.

The best strength/bulk cycle I've ever done was Test, Tren & var with a dbol kickstart. Definately gonna do that one again someday.

for you test tren and var with dbol, how long did u run them and dosages?

[juict]

i like the first one also and i too like var better than winny and that is mostly because of the killer pains it casues in my joints. from looking at the second cycle it doesnt seem like you would be gaining 25 lbs of solid muscle off of that one...well goodluck

[Almost There]

i like the first one also and i too like var better than winny and that is mostly because of the killer pains it casues in my joints. from looking at the second cycle it doesnt seem like you would be gaining 25 lbs of solid muscle off of that one...well goodluck

thanks for the input, its appreciated. I think the first cycle is what im going to do then.

[eGGz]

for you test tren and var with dbol, how long did u run them and dosages?

1-4 Dbol @ 40mg ED
1-12 Test E @ 600mg EW
1-10 Tren E @ 400mg EW
9-14 Var @ 80mg ED

[juict]

now that looks good...im lovin the var at 80/ day and i also like the decrease in dbol....i almost think dbol is a waste

[cannibal]

i almost think dbol is a waste

I agree, it blows you up quick and goes away just as fast...i refer to it as advanced creatine.