w/ the right anti e-s and diet practically any steroid could be used to bulk or cut with, even anadrol and dbol!! Sure, you may be holding mad water, but when your taking into account that your average cycle is 10-12 weeks long, the first 3-4 weeks on some drol or dbol would hardly be evident in terms of water gain by the end of your cycle if you've cycled wisely and watched the diet. I'm just getting tired of hearing "bulker or cutter" in terms of nothing more than the drug being used and not the diet and/or cardio. Sure, there are drugs known for those things, but I think there is a truth being held out on alot of people who come here looking for advice and proposed cycles w/ questions such as "can I use winny in a bulking cycle?" or "can I use dbol in a cutting cycle?" or people who seem to think that prop is absolutely necessary to cut with. Just my .02