ok.. well I responded to a couple threads today about dbol sides.. I said I was on day 9 and havent had any, including back pumps.. well this evening when doing my leg workout, I got a really painful sensation in my lower back, that I guess could be described as a lower back pump.. so yea.. yippy.. so much for no sides. btw, those things are irritating, I had to sit down after each set of squats.. I no longer look forward to back day.