Fat Burner

[pakimunda786]

Hey what's up guys? I had a question about some good fat burners to take with excercising. I usually work out at 24 Hour Fitness 1.5 hours a day, 5 days a week. I do 30 cardio and 60 working out. I'm 300 pounds and played football in high school, but since I'm no longer playing, I want to burn the fat. I've been excercising for about 3 months now and eating HEALTHY, but I've only lost 10 freakin pounds. That pissed me off. What would be the best to take to burn up the fat quickly?

i was thinking about Clen, but I've only heard mediocre reviews about it. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks.

[shoalin]

I would stick to just cardio and find a good diet that works with you. Honestly when I wanted to loose weight fast I gave up eating meat (for a while) and the pounds fell off. Clen actually cuts your rate of activity down so you half ass your work outs. So stick with a good diet and some cardio (I would do 45 min) and in 4 months see if you still want to use clen.

[MrMent1on]

Do a little more research, I would NOT advice clen to a person like you. its possible to get a heart attack, not good.

[magic32]

I've been excercising for about 3 months now and eating HEALTHY, but I've only lost 10 freakin pounds. That pissed me off.

i was thinking about Clen, but I've only heard mediocre reviews about it. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks.

Actually 10lbs in 12wks is nothing to be pissed about. That's 'fairly' good, it shows that you're not just losing water and that your loses are likely to be more permanent (since done correctly). This should be comforting.

Now that said, I would recommend, based on your weight and goal, that you increase your cardio time. I’d say warm up with 15-20 minutes, then lift, and close out with another 40 minutes. This increases your net cardio (closer to an hour), and acknowledges your need for strength during lifting by not exceeding the 30min. pre-lift rule.

Supplementally (not really a word), Clen is a definite no here. There are far to many variables at play regarding your current weight. However, if you are sure there’s no heart trouble, and I’d get this checked first, I would certainly recommend the ECA/Y stack. As well as a multi-vit/min and some EFA’s & CLA. These will jump start your metabolism and get you firing on all cylinders.

M.

[stupidhippo]

Is ECA stack better for your heart than clen? What is the logic behind that?
to Sho****: Clen cuts down on ur workoutS? To me it gives a great boost, even cardio is almost normal... To my understanding ephedrine can be potentially really harmful...

Anyway.. to Pakimunda: Ur weight loss is decent but if u want to kick it up a notch here is what I suggest. Take a good look at ur diet (low fat, low, carbs +´high protein), then do AM cardio... Those two points made me able to lose 35 lbs in 12 weeks. Now that was my first time cutting so Im by no means an expert but that really worked for me. Do AM cardio atleast 3 times a week (preferably 5 times) and then go to the gym to work out normally ( to me 3 times was ok).

[magic32]

The logic behind that is this...Ephedra has been used without serious incidents for centuries, caffeine safely augments its effects and the aspirin is virtually useless. Thus, if used responsibly (not generally the case in the US as evidenced by our still small but significant enough for banning fatality cases) the stack is quite safe for all users/organs. Admittedly, less familiar with Clen's history, I've read enough warnings to not recommend it for the less than heart healthy. Hope that clears up the logic.

M.

[stupidhippo]

ok but Ive read several case reports on where it was speculated that ephedrine was a major player in a cardiac episode leading to death of an athlete.. Then it targets B adrenic receptors and I would assume it raises BP even more than clen etc.. Since clen doesnt target B1 receptors that the heart mainly hjas. But I dont know for sure so this is purely speculating. Thanks for sharing ur insight.. I am interested in the topic though..

[magic32]

ok but Ive read several case reports on where it was speculated that ephedrine was a major player in a cardiac episode leading to death of an athlete..

Well the death has to do with other issues (how much was taken, level of tolerance, preexisting heart conditions, use with other substances, etc...).
But my point is both Clen and Ephedra effect the heart, only in different aspects and to varying degrees.

M.

[stupidhippo]

not doubting u but still uncertain which is worse for your C/V system clen or ephedrine.. and isnt ephedra a lot less potetnt than Ephedrine? Like I said I am not doubting u but would like still more info on clen vs. ECA stack... which is safer.. I am not saying its the otherway around, just havent seen any reliable info supporting either sides.. Hell beta2 agonists are used in everyday medicine alot in asthma for example. They also use it in sufficient doses to cause handshaking and they use it daily for years.. If it would be really danferous I doubt it would be used like that.

[pakimunda786]

Since I'm new to the whole thing, whats ECA/Y stack?...Oh, and thanks for the tips, I guess Ill just stick to the gym.

[magic32]

isnt ephedra a lot less potetnt than Ephedrine? Like I said I am not doubting u but would like still more info on clen vs. ECA stack... which is safer..

That's accurate, technically they are different with one being a derivative (weaker part) of the other. However, for the purposes of conversation on this board, the terms 'ephedra' and 'ephedrine' are used interchangeably UNLESS otherwise noted.

Clen has long been observed as an effective fat repartitioning agent, but it has also been well documented that it hinders cardio work out activity because of the taxation it imposes on the heart.

Excerpts from the Clen Profile:
"Also, bear in mind that clen isn’t great for your heart, and can cause some issues there (enlargement of ventricles, etc…)…Some studies show reduced exercise (cardiovascular) performance with clen (9), while some show that clen can alleviate exercise induced asthma (10)!Clearly, this compound will have different effects on different people, and I suspect that a lot of it is sports specific. Many bodybuilders claim that clen makes it difficult for them to do cardio, yet I can play a full game of rugby on it. You need to figure out how it affects you, and tailor your dose personally…”

These effects are not generally found with Ephedrine, actually the converse is found. Ephedrine increases cardiovascular endurance, letting you work out longer and harder. This fact alone refutes their similar effects on the cardiovascular system.

I am not saying its the otherway around, just havent seen any reliable info supporting either sides.. Hell beta2 agonists are used in everyday medicine alot in asthma for example. They also use it in sufficient doses to cause handshaking and they use it daily for years.. If it would be really danferous I doubt it would be used like that.

Now you're mixing systems (cardio and respiro)!
Note: Hooker's use of the above bolded cardio clause is (…Some studies show reduced exercise (cardiovascular) performance with clen…) though accurate content-wise, it is grammatically inaccurate as it really doesn’t belong in the same sentence with bolded the asthma clause (…while some studies show alleviate exercise induced asthma…). This has the effect of relating converse or opposite information to the reader, when actually the former issue is cardiovascular in nature, while the later issue is respiratory. Thus, it can very logically, tax your heart, while simultaneously clearing your bronchioles and other air passageways.

Again the bottom line is they both possess the ability to adversely effect the heart and because of that the user should assess heart health. But there are specific heart issues with Clen that we don’t see with Ephedrine usage, thus Clen should never be recommended to anyone that’s obese, while Ephedrine can be.

just havent seen any reliable info supporting either sides..

That's because such evidence is rarely presented side by side.
It's rather a matter of implication...
If A = B, and B = C, then ‘A’ necessarily = C.

I hope this helped explain my point more clearly.
Cheers ,

M.

[tboney]

Lipodrene made by SND nutrition is a great product if you decide to use a ephedra based fat burner. However I agree that if you are able you can go wrong with a clean diet and cardio. You have to be patient w/ the fat loss it will be a little slower than it would be w/ clen or ephedra based products. Watch your bp on those products.