My buddy's mind is made up........

[BigBrad330]

My buddy wants to do an oral only cycle which I told him isn't a great idea. but it's his money to waste and he has his mind made up to do orals only. He wants to run a 6 week cycle, but doesn't know what of. Anybody have any advice on a 6 week oral only cycle including pct after?

[Jnrmrplymouth]

Never done oral cycle only. But id say for him to just do 6 weeks of d-bol. 20-30mgs a day. PCT starts 8 hours after last dbol tablet I beleive. Clomid and nolva etc will do the trick. He will blow up with water and then loose the water when he comes off (regardless of how much he eats and how good his pct is). He might gain a lb or 2 of solid muscle from this im estimating.

[Jnrmrplymouth]

Never done oral cycle only. But id say for him to just do 6 weeks of d-bol. 20-30mgs a day. PCT starts 8 hours after last dbol tablet I beleive. Clomid and nolva etc will do the trick. He will blow up with water and then loose the water when he comes off (regardless of how much he eats and how good his pct is). He might gain a lb or 2 of solid muscle from this im estimating.

[Pinnacle]

Hey bro..why don't you get your buddy to join the board and have him do his own research?As a friend,that's what I would have him do.

~Pinnacle~

[BigBrad330]

yea i would have him join the board but he doesn't have a computer and i doubt he would go to the library ever.

[Jnrmrplymouth]

yea i would have him join the board but he doesn't have a computer and i doubt he would go to the library ever.

Hmmm. He wants to use steroids but cant be bothered to get access to a computer.............or even a book? Just remind your friend that these are drugs we are talking about here. Does he realise that dianabol is 17aa liver toxic. He needs to know about this type of stuff else his liver will drop out by the time hes 30. Seriously now...............he cant expect you to do research for him. Its his body.....HE needs to know what hes doing.

[BigBrad330]

yea i'm just tryin to help out a bud, if it was this big of deal i wouldn't have bothered posting it. just wanted some suggestions thats all. but i can't get it obviously so forget it.

[omnipotent]

if he wants to do oral only ...

let him try superdrol .. not d-bol , i just say this because i know people who use it alone and get pretty reasonable gains 10-18 pounds and the gains dont dissapear .. you will loose HALF of your gains with d-bol regardless .

[Brent_G]

i would suggest superdrol as well. You can get it on egay. just do a quick search. And its not as harsh on the liver as others. I believe we live in the same city here in michigan

[BigBrad330]

thanks for the advice guys. yea we live in the same place brent

[JiGGaMaN]

tbol tbol tbol!!!!!!!!!

[usamm]

If he wants oral only, tell him to use Superdrol and perhaps some Winstrol. Honestly though, I disagree with oral only. 99.9999% of the gains WILL BE LOST

So its:
1) Money down the drain
2) Risks of sideeffects.
3) Stupid

[Rob]

lol...yea...your "buddy"

[SpiderRico]

your buddy or who ever it is is an idiot ... tell him or whoever that theres girls injecting themselves tell him to stop being such a puss and do it right ...who wants to do stuff if there doing it wrong?

[usamm]

yea, the whole "my buddy" thing doesnt work. It worked around the time of Christ, but come on. Man up. Theres only a few in this world that would actually look shit up on the internet for their "buddy."

[notanormalgent]

My friend wants to do an oral only cycle, as well. He told me another friend tried to give him an injection once before, but he hyperventilated and passed out. So...Being the prick that I am, I walked out of my room with a 25G 1" loaded with B12 and told him that he can't be a bitch about it. I couldn't believe it, the guy literally started sweating and tensing up. His palms were WET within a minute.

So now he's just going to settle for an Anavar only cycle. Pussy.

[usamm]

lolol

[Auto54]

Abuse reported

[dianasaur]

Yesterday I posted a thread called "Short Dbol Cycle - my results" and the purpose of my post was to show that if you want modest gains in a short period of time an oral cycle can definitely work. I gained 6 lbs in two weeks and kept everything. I get very minimal bloat from dbol, so that was certainly a positive factor for me.

It sounds like it's your friend's first cycle, so if he finds the dbol just bloats him up and makes him retain a lot of water, then he'll probably be disappointed. If, however, he has minimal sides and decent gains from it, I'm sure he can keep a lot with proper PCT.

Is oral only better than oral and inject combined? Certainly not. But it is much better than a lot of guys give it credit for. I'd say only pay attention to data and guys who have actually tried oral only cycles, not opinions with no numbers behind them.... Find posts where guys say they did oral only cycles and how they went. Some dude just saying "Oral only cycles suck" is pointless, and in all likelihood he's just repeating what he heard someone else on this board say

[usamm]

6 pounds in 2 weeks from dbol sounds like alot of bloat.

[dianasaur]

Here's the link to my post about the 2 weeker

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=224186

As it says, I'm 2 1/2 weeks out from the end of the cycle, and I've kept all the gains, so it's pretty safe to say there's no bloat involved

[usamm]

Who says its safe to say? Thats so off from the truth, your diet may not be bringing down the bloat, thers alot to throw in here. But 6 pounds in two weeks from DBOL is not 6lbs of lean muscle. Otherwise think about it, 4 weeks of dbol at that pace = 24 pounds of lean muscle and throw in some Test E for 12 weeks, ud be gaining around 80 lbs? cmon bro!

[firmechicano831]

I thought that superdrol was really bad for the liver regadless of the precautions. What do u guys think?

[dianasaur]

Who says its safe to say? Thats so off from the truth, your diet may not be bringing down the bloat, thers alot to throw in here. But 6 pounds in two weeks from DBOL is not 6lbs of lean muscle. Otherwise think about it, 4 weeks of dbol at that pace = 24 pounds of lean muscle and throw in some Test E for 12 weeks, ud be gaining around 80 lbs? cmon bro!

I'm sure that it is not 6 lbs of lean muscle, probably a cominbation of muscle and fat from an increase in diet while on the dbol..... but it is certainly not water I have retained, I consume a healthy but average amount of water every day, and I doubt that my body has recently acquired the ability to amazingly retain excess water since I have been off for almost 3 weeks. Also, regarding your math, you screwed up your numbers..... 4 weeks wouldn't be 24, it'd be 12 since 6 x 2 is 12. I am actually quite confident that a 4 week dbol cycle could produce gains in the range of 10-12 lbs, again a mix of muscle and fat, not all lean gains.

But here is my big problem with this whole "not all lean muscle" argument....

The fact that my gains aren't all "lean muscle" would apply to any cycle. If you run Test E / Eq for 12 weeks, that's a much more substantial cycle, but at the end of it your gains are a still a mix of fat and muscle. So the fact that my gains aren't 6 lbs of solid muscle has no relevance to the value of running a short dbol only cycle. As long as it isn't water, 6lbs in 2 weeks is a great value for the time and energy invested.

[usamm]

dianasaur i guess you can be right with that statement.

[magic32]

My buddy wants to do an oral only cycle which I told him isn't a great idea. but it's his money to waste and he has his mind made up to do orals only. He wants to run a 6 week cycle, but doesn't know what of. Anybody have any advice on a 6 week oral only cycle including pct after?

The answer depends on his goals?
All orals are not created equal.
Var: Def and a few lbs.
Win: Def
Tbo: lean mass
Dbo: size
Etc: etc, etc.

M.

[Jnrmrplymouth]

Lets conclude this arguement with 2 words.....................................
















Arnold Schwarzenegger

[BigBrad330]

Yea thanks for the guys here who actually helped and to the guys who were being dickheads

[testosterona]

if he's gonna do an oral only cycle tell him to run 20-30mgs of dbol for 8wks with nolva at 10mgs ed. followed by a nolva PCT. this should build some lean mass that should be relatively keepable when he comes off.

test

[longhorn814]

im sorry, but how can your "friend" not have access to a computer in this day and age?

[BigBrad330]

i dont knwo how he doesnt have access, he just moved and is still settling in. he just asked so i thought i would take a minute to post it on here and get a few opinions.

[Hellmaskbanned]

If he wants oral only, tell him to use Superdrol and perhaps some Winstrol. Honestly though, I disagree with oral only. 99.9999% of the gains WILL BE LOST

So its:
1) Money down the drain
2) Risks of sideeffects.
3) Stupid

Your so wrong.

[legobricks]

The answer depends on his goals?
All orals are not created equal.
Var: Def and a few lbs.
Win: Def
Tbo: lean mass
Dbo: size
Etc: etc, etc.

M.

No.

Dont give advice unless you know exactly what your talking about. Everything here is almost expect for the Winstrol and Dbol. Wisntrol does not define. It Hardens up muscle that is already there. Var does not define either. It actually hardens up the muscle with a small decent amount of LBM. That is why people use it to bridge cycles. Winstrol also adds a couple pounds, but IT DOES NOT BURN FAT (DEFINE). And Dbol is a LOT of water retention which you did not explain. Most will be lost, but there will be some that is kept no doubt. The best oral only cycle IMO is either Anavar, or TBol. Check those two out by using the search button.