Is 20 Weeks too long?

[monkeyjuice]

This is my 3rd cycle...


Weeks 1-20 Test Enth @ 500mg/wk
Weeks 1-19 EQ @ 400mg/wk
PCT



Is this cycle too long?
Do i need hcg for this cycle?

[TCEL300]

i would use hcg...any cycle that lasts longer than 12 weeks i would use hcg...what else do have planned for pct?

[Pinnacle]

IMO it's to long.Your gains will slow down to a halt around the 14 week mark,so it's pointless to continue on.You'll be better off running a shorter cycle,recovering,and running another down the road.I've been down the long cycle route...waste of time,and gear...

~Pinnacle~

[Montgomery]

and, the longer your HPTA stays in atrophy, the harder it is to recover.

Montgomery

[nate3422]

i agree with pinnacle

[omnipotent]

dont go over 14 weeks .. yur just ganna take longer to recover .. yur receptors dont take in as much after that anyway .

[Pinnacle]

yur receptors dont take in as much after that anyway .

Care to elaborate on that comment?


~Pinnacle~

[chest6]

Yep, harder to recover off longer cycles. Those are moderate doses so it wouldn't be too bad. I'd go the shorter cycle route.

[trailrider38]

wouldnt age make a difference when deciding on how long to go?

[IBdmfkr]

dont go over 14 weeks .. yur just ganna take longer to recover .. yur receptors dont take in as much after that anyway .

Sorry but I'm also a bit confused on this comment?

[littlemantc]

i have doen some research..and you should only be on a cycle for no more than 12 weeks max..with the same amont of time off....befor going on another cycle

[IBdmfkr]

i have doen some research..and you should only be on a cycle for no more than 12 weeks max..with the same amont of time off....befor going on another cycle

Can you further explain why you suggest this? I happen to think whether it be a 6wk or 20wk cycle it all depends on the individual and the many variables on how they choose to run the different compounds.

[littlemantc]

i personaly would not want to be on any cycle 4 more than 12 weeks at a time...yes there are many variables that you could and colud not handle at one givin time....its really all how much and what your stack is made of

[IBdmfkr]

Out of curiousity, have you ever been on a cycle for more than 12wks, if not then how do you know it's not beneficial?

[littlemantc]

have you?

[IBdmfkr]

Yes, that's why when I suggest something I always have real life experience to back it up. You will get challenged at AR when making statements, either put up or shutup. Don't get offended, no one likes parrots.

[littlemantc]

well if ur still breathing then u know whats best...i myself will max at 12 thats it...

[IBdmfkr]

This is my 3rd cycle...


Weeks 1-20 Test Enth @ 500mg/wk
Weeks 1-19 EQ @ 400mg/wk
PCT



Is this cycle too long?
Do i need hcg for this cycle?

Sorry for the thread hijack Monkey, my appologies.

When I've run enanthate gains seem to stop at wks 12-14 (what Pinn said), So you may as well do a 10-15wk cycle at these dosages rather than extending it to 20wks and having a harder time recovering.


Littlemanc you have no credibility and still avoid the challenge of your previous statement, weak bro.

[testosterona]

Sorry for the thread hijack Monkey, my appologies.

When I've run enanthate gains seem to stop at wks 12-14 (what Pinn said), So you may as well do a 10-15wk cycle at these dosages rather than extending it to 20wks and having a harder time recovering.


Littlemanc you have no credibility and still avoid the challenge of your previous statement, weak bro.

i agree with the above. my 18wkr was a little hard too recover from. def a little tougher than my 14wkr. littlemanc.......

[monkeyjuice]

thanks for all the suggestions...


looks like i'm gonna stop the Eq at week 14 and test at week 15.

PCT is:

Clomid: 300/100/50
Novladex: 20mg/ed
B-12 inject 2x a week.

[marcus300]

yes 20 weeks is to long you cant keep building muscle tissue over long periods of time because weight gain and muscular growth don't happen that way. Not in infants, toddlers, teenagers, or even weight trainers. Instead, weight gain seems to come in spurts or surges. It's amazing how you can train hard and eat very well year round yet only seem to make progress in quick little infrequent spurts of growth even with taking all the AAS compounds the body still gets use to what its taken. if your prime your body correctley before a short cycle you can gain amazing new muscle tissue in short periods,
this methord is widely used throughout Europe and has build many top BB's, staying on to long only causes more sides, its harder to recover and maintain when you do come off, it worth looking into if your not research it before

[Pinnacle]

LMAO @ IBd

[omnipotent]

what i meant was , yur jabbin yourself for 20 weeks in the same spots .. even if you have a good rotations just like anything else after time it wont have the same effect as it did 8-10 weeks into the cycle . yur killin yur receptors that way .

[crane]

what about tren for 32 weeks? is that bad? not gaining but still cutting. also with clen and igf. the best cuttting i have ever done.
sorry for the hijack

[IBdmfkr]

yes 20 weeks is to long you cant keep building muscle tissue over long periods of time because weight gain and muscular growth don't happen that way. Not in infants, toddlers, teenagers, or even weight trainers. Instead, weight gain seems to come in spurts or surges. It's amazing how you can train hard and eat very well year round yet only seem to make progress in quick little infrequent spurts of growth even with taking all the AAS compounds the body still gets use to what its taken. if your prime your body correctley before a short cycle you can gain amazing new muscle tissue in short periods,
this methord is widely used throughout Europe and has build many top BB's, staying on to long only causes more sides, its harder to recover and maintain when you do come off, it worth looking into if your not research it before

IYO, how does this apply to switching compounds and doing short spurts of different compounds all together.

Btw, where'd Littleman go?

[PreMier]

At 6'1 and only 185 after 2 cycles I think you need to learn how to eat and train before you use steroids...

[marcus300]

IYO, how does this apply to switching compounds and doing short spurts of different compounds all together.

Btw, where'd Littleman go?

ive tried switching compounds in long cycles to free up test and hit different sites and it doesnt work for me, it may well do for some people but the studies ive done on various BB's about this subject more or less your body gets saturated with the gear and stops responding,

[IBdmfkr]

Thx for the feedback, we'll see how my current cycle goes. If gains cease early then I'll probably try the shorter approach and see how it goes.

Marcus, do you coast between cycles or do you come off completely and do a normal PCT? Do you hold your gains more easily from a shorter cycle length?

[marcus300]

Thx for the feedback, we'll see how my current cycle goes. If gains cease early then I'll probably try the shorter approach and see how it goes.

Marcus, do you coast between cycles or do you come off completely and do a normal PCT? Do you hold your gains more easily from a shorter cycle length?

with the type of short heavy cycles i am talking about you dont just cut down a long cycle when gains stop, its a high dose of AAS+gh for around 30days, you must prime your body beforehand to create an anabolic enviroment and the gains are amazing,

this type of cycling is not for a first timer, you must have a few years experience and cycle history to detirmine the dose of the cycle

the gains you keep and recovery is easy and maintance is no problem, ive studied this recently with some top BB's and the gains are very dramtic myself included,

i use to bridge and coast because i found it so hard to recover and keep the gains after long cycles, but with this system you dont because you body normaly doesnt respond by side effcts because your not on long enough,
Dorian transformed his body with this system along with many others

[IBdmfkr]

I'd like to talk more in detail about this marcus, mind If I PM you?

[anaBROLIC]

i didnt read what anyone posted. but from my experience 20wks is too long. i dont think you need much more of 12-13 weeks on test. i saw very minimal gains after that point as well as i had the worse recovery from that cycle of all my cycles.

[testosterona]

marcus, you care to explain "primming your body?"

[dsa8864667]

with the type of short heavy cycles i am talking about you dont just cut down a long cycle when gains stop, its a high dose of AAS+gh for around 30days, you must prime your body beforehand to create an anabolic enviroment and the gains are amazing,

this type of cycling is not for a first timer, you must have a few years experience and cycle history to detirmine the dose of the cycle

the gains you keep and recovery is easy and maintance is no problem, ive studied this recently with some top BB's and the gains are very dramtic myself included,

i use to bridge and coast because i found it so hard to recover and keep the gains after long cycles, but with this system you dont because you body normaly doesnt respond by side effcts because your not on long enough,
Dorian transformed his body with this system along with many others

Could you post a example cycle i would like to try it out some time.

[Xtralarg]

20 weeks is way to long.

I have just ran a 4 weeker and gained 14lbs.....It is now 3 weeks since the cycle ended and have kept all of it.

[~fuelforfire~]

thats too long, you wont even be gaining that much running longer than 14 weeks imo.

[Booz]

i ran a 24 weeker last year and will not go over 14 weeks anymore!!the gains stopped around the 12-14 week period!my recovery was a biatch too,the lenght and cost was not worth the gains!!waste of time for me!!this is just my exp!

[Booz]

in fact after my summer cycle i will be adopting the marcus approach to cycling!!

[marcus300]

marcus, you care to explain "primming your body?"

primming the body before a short heavy cycle is one of the most important thing you can do especailly with this theory, you diet down and lose fat, just like a comp diet or ive found better way of priming by cycling the carbs 3 low 1 high this will create a very anabolic emviroment for muscle tissue to grow, the muscle receptors get highly excitable and upgrade and able to accept more glucose and because glucose levels are not full the result is more deposited into the muscle which creates an enviroment to build muscle tissue very quickley, if this is done correcty and AAS+GH are combined and timed right when you start this heavy short cycle, growth is amazing,
When you are priming you must up your protein and aminos to compensate any catabolism,

The dosage of theses cycles are worked out for the indivdual by looking back over his cycle history, THESE CYCLES ARE NOT FOR FIRST TIMERS OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT GOT ALOT OF CYCLE HISTORY

[marcus300]

I'd like to talk more in detail about this marcus, mind If I PM you?

yes you can pm me no problem

[smiler]

what? recover? am i suppose to come off gear? hmm guess that answers my question, if 7 years is too long