Sd Pct

[THE_DOME]

Can pct be ran with just nova, or should that be ran 20ed and then clomid for pct in weeks 5-8

[copenhagen]

i would go with nolva at 40mg ed for the first week then down to 20mg ed for the rest of pct. some people do not like the side effects of clomid. if you want run some trib or tongkat.

[THE_DOME]

so pct can be ran with like 4g of trib. What is tongkat?

[Papi93]

so pct can be ran with like 4g of trib. What is tongkat?

He is an excellent post by Ntpadude (fellow member):

I take redkat myself and just 2 pills a day... after a couple weeks if you are still ON cycle, you will notice a nice return in size to your shrunken nuts. In PCT this stuff is really good, I am in PCT after 9 months of deca use at 600 mg a week and I have had the easiest PCT ever!!! Even easier then an 8 week testosterone only cycle without tongkat. There was virtually no decline in sex drive, actually it increased steadily when I missed the shot on week #1 and 3 weeks after my last test e shot I was experiencing the best sex drive I've had in a year. Grant it I started by redkat/tongkat ali about 4 months ago and stayed on steady. Now that PCT is over (no more clomid, etc) I am still going very strong, the most incredible wife gagging cum loads of my life and not only a vigorous sex drive, but the enjoyability factor while having sex is better then any "on testosterone" cycle I ever been on.

Yes while you can actually see improvements in "deca dick" in just 1 week, it really takes 1 month for your body to fully respond. I was deca dicked really bad in my 4th month on deca/test and the testosterone I took with the deca wasnt helping, balls ached and shrunk very badly. I started tongkat as last ditch effort to prevent stopping the cycle and the aches ended within 2 days of starting, balls started growing back noticably well by end of first week and sex drive and ability to maintain hard-on improved in a big way, even though I continued my deca doses for another 4 months! I have done tribulus before, tribulus doesnt seem to do anything like tongkat, but tongkat is basically your herbal HCG taken by mouth, it can and does easily overpower deca dick and ball shrinkage while on cycle. Also makes your steroids more effective by keeping down your SHBG's which deactivate testosterone and near testosterone compounds.

[Papi93]

Ntpadude:

Tongkat ali has been proven to boost your total testosterone levels to about double if you stay on it long enough, but it also lowers your SHBG's so you get about a 440% increase in "free testosterone".

Its also been shown to work something like HCG, in that tongkat can actually cause you to begin producing natural testosterone and continue to lower your SHBG's even if you are taking tongkat while "on" a cycle which involves deca durabolin or trenbalone. In otherwords these 2 drugs are the most powerful things to shut down your natural testosterone production, and yet tongkat can overpower this shutdown effect and get you producing again. Also makes your steroids you are taking more effective because lowering SHBG's reduces the "tollerance" effect that SHBG's do to your steroid tollerances. As we know, SHBG's bind to ALL anabolic steroids, not just testosterone, and it partially disables deca, tren, test, winstrol, etc... so tongkat ali is a cycler's best friend actually.

[Papi93]

Nptadude:

Tongkat ali reduces the "tollerance" effect to steroids because it reduces the SHBG's which cause the "tollerance" effect. Tongkat ali appears to stimulate LH and GSH even while on steroids causing an effect very similar to HCG, meaning you produce natural testosterone even while ON steroids.

The thinking is, if you are going to mess with steroids, its perhaps a very good idea to take tongkat ali continuously all thru your steroid cycles and on into PCT and beyond! It counteracts most of the bad side effects onto your reproductive system and ability to generate natural testosterone when off steroids. Tongkat ali can also allow you to get better results from using less AAS then without which can further reduce other negative side effects on your cholesterol levels which therefore reduce your risk of heart trouble as a result of using AAS. Tongkat ali allows you to not dip down so low on your testosterone levels as you enter PCT therefore reducing ACNE side effects and also tongkat ali has also been shown to protect your prostate from enlarging and its also been shown to be a general anti-cancer agent therefore reducing even more another negative side effects.

If you do 2 cycles or more a year or a cycle lasting more then 12 weeks, ideal would be take tongkat ali practically year round.