Beginner Cycle? More Questions

[mcgas7]

Whatyou guys think?

week1 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 250mg/week

week2 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 250mg/week

week3 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 500mg/week
DIANABOL 15mg/day

week4 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 500mg/week
DIANABOL 20mg/day

week5 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 250mg/week
DIANABOL 20mg/day

week6 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 250mg/week
DIANABOL 15mg/day

week7 - CLOMID 50mg/day


Would i need nolva? or would clomid at 50mg be fine??

also is it ok to take Pro GP during cycle??(click on link to see) http://www.propeptide.com/products/progf.html

anyone with experiance on this cycle.. what gains etc did u get??
thanks

[Gra]

This cycle looks like crap. You really need to do more research. 250 a week of test is to little imo. needs to be ran for atleast 10 weeks. and you start pct 14 days after your last shot of test e. For a first cycle you don`t need d-bol. And if D is used it would be better to kickstart with it thw first 4 weeks.

[usamm]

Test E 250mg a week is basically what your body makes a week of test

[mcgas7]

This cycle looks like crap. You really need to do more research. 250 a week of test is to little imo. needs to be ran for atleast 10 weeks. and you start pct 14 days after your last shot of test e. For a first cycle you don`t need d-bol. And if D is used it would be better to kickstart with it thw first 4 weeks.

in your opinion what is a better cycle ?

[Gra]

in your opinion what is a better cycle ?

Test e 500mg for 10 weeks.

10mg nolva ed until you start pct.

Pct 14 days after last test e shot.

Make sure you are ready to cycle before you start. Do alot of research. How old are you btw?

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Whatyou guys think?

week1 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 250mg/week

week2 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 250mg/week

week3 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 500mg/week
DIANABOL 15mg/day

week4 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 500mg/week
DIANABOL 20mg/day

week5 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 250mg/week
DIANABOL 20mg/day

week6 - TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 250mg/week
DIANABOL 15mg/day

week7 - CLOMID 50mg/day


Would i need nolva? or would clomid at 50mg be fine??

also is it ok to take Pro GP during cycle??(click on link to see) http://www.propeptide.com/products/progf.html

anyone with experiance on this cycle.. what gains etc did u get??
thanks

First think bro before you start anything you need to research a first cycle so you get educated on what are you doing.About the cycle its not good especially the length it should be from 10wks to 12wks & dont go with pyramid dosing go with 500mg from the beggining to keep your blood levels stable so you dont get sides like "Gyno" so here this is a better one

1-4 30mg Dbol every day

1-10 or 12 Test E 500mg every week

1-10 or 12 Nolva 10mg ed <---to prevent gyno & water retention

PCT start with 300mg clomid the first day,100 for 10 days & 50mg for another 10 days along with 20mg nolvadex


Dont forget to get your diet & training in check visit the diet fourm because if you didnt get your diet in check dont excpect to grow.

good luck

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[Gra]

First think bro before you start anything you need to research a first cycle so you get educated on what are you doing.About the cycle its not good especially the length it should be from 10wks to 12wks & dont go with pyramid dosing go with 500mg from the beggining to keep your blood levels stable so you dont get sides like "Gyno" so here this is a better one

1-4 30mg Dbol every day

1-10 or 12 Test E 500mg every week

1-10 or 12 Nolva 10mg ed <---to prevent gyno & water retention

PCT start with 300mg clomid the first day,100 for 10 days & 50mg for another 10 days along with 20mg nolvadex


Dont forget to get your diet & training in check visit the diet fourm because if you didnt get your diet in check dont excpect to grow.

good luck

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You stop taking nolva after your last shot, and start it up again for pct?

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You stop taking nolva after your last shot, and start it up again for pct?

Personally i dont like to wait for pct more than 24hrs or 3 days but as for your question i would take the nolva in the time off till the pct because when you stop taking the hormone it still active in your body so you dont know when the estrogen is going to rise & cause "gyno" so its better to stay safe & take it till the pct comes.

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[mcgas7]

have been training for around 4 years.. started at 176pounds.. gained and gained from eating eating.. then about a year ago was 198pounds.. the last six months have been pushing my self more and more. but weight is at a freeze 222pounds roughly.. 21 years old.. so have gained a base to work from..

i have been told to leave dbol out my first cycle and just go for test alone.. whats most effective for mass gains..

thanks for the help will go with the nolva through my cycle.. and clomid after..

[Gra]

Personally i dont like to wait for pct more than 24hrs or 3 days but as for your question i would take the nolva in the time off till the pct because when you stop taking the hormone it still active in your body so you dont know when the estrogen is going to rise & cause "gyno" so its better to stay safe & take it till the pct comes.

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What I was thinking aswell.

[Gra]

222lbs, Thats not bad. How about bf?

[mcgas7]

not sure at the moment? ill need to get it measured..

whats your opinion on the dbol in my cycle?

[marcus300]

stick to the basic test 500mg per wk for 10-12 wks, proper pct and good basic diet, you will recieve good gains from that cycle

[Gra]

For the first cycle I would not use dbol myself.

[mcgas7]

ok will get set up for a 10 week cycle of ..
TEST E = 500mg/Per Week
NOLVA = 10mg/Per Day
14 days after end of last injection start clomid
first day 300mg , 100 for 10 days & 50mg for another 10 days..
everything sounds fine on that??
also should nova be ran with clomid?

[marcus300]

yes no problem

[Gra]

also should nova be ran with clomid?

Yes, 20mg ed during pct.

[johnsiegal]

Test E 250mg a week is basically what your body makes a week of test

RESPONSE: Dude....don't know where you got this BS~`t from but..... your body basically produces about 5-7mgs of Test per day (that's if you are in your twenties...do more research). That means 7x7 is 49 or 50 mgs of test per week....thats it. 250 mgs per week is about 5 times the normal range...read up before you start doling out advice.

1rst point. You guys are prescibing WAY TOO much juice for a first timer. NO-ONE...i repeat....NO-ONE...can tell another Human being how much juice they absolutely must do to be successfull.....too many variables to consider.

2nd point. Length of cycle. 10-12 wks....maybe...for some...but again...he doesn't know what will work for him....remember...its his first cycle....he may be fine with 6 weeks....Just because YOU were successful following a 12 wk program....doesn't mean that everyone else will get the same results...I have actually gotten GREAT RESULTS from 4 weeks....How do you like that! Don't believe me....too bad! There's plenty of research to back up my claims....don't need to defend it here!

BOTTOM LINE. Each person must learn his-her body and how each AAS affects their body....PERIOD!


JS

[marcus300]

RESPONSE: Dude....don't know where you got this BS~`t from but..... your body basically produces about 5-7mgs of Test per day (that's if you are in your twenties...do more research). That means 7x7 is 49 or 50 mgs of test per week....thats it. 250 mgs per week is about 5 times the normal range...read up before you start doling out advice.

1rst point. You guys are prescibing WAY TOO much juice for a first timer. NO-ONE...i repeat....NO-ONE...can tell another Human being how much juice they absolutely must do to be successfull.....too many variables to consider.

2nd point. Length of cycle. 10-12 wks....maybe...for some...but again...he doesn't know what will work for him....remember...its his first cycle....he may be fine with 6 weeks....Just because YOU were successful following a 12 wk program....doesn't mean that everyone else will get the same results...I have actually gotten GREAT RESULTS from 4 weeks....How do you like that! Don't believe me....too bad! There's plenty of research to back up my claims....don't need to defend it here!

BOTTOM LINE. Each person must learn his-her body and how each AAS affects their body....PERIOD!


JS

The quoted dose is the average dose for first timers to grow, its been well research and thats the average, yes your right some grow on less some dont grow on 500, its what you call experimenting with your body, how else will he find out what works or doesnt,

he will also find out by doing such a cycle how he responds to the gear and the lenght, if he docoments the results he will be able to work out whats best for him for the next cycle, he as to start somewhere and why not at the average?

your statement saying "Each person must learn his-her body and how each AAS affects their body....PERIOD!" how can he do that without trying the average dose first?
he as to start somewhere,why not the average

[johnsiegal]

The quoted dose is the average dose for first timers to grow, its been well research and thats the average, yes your right some grow on less some dont grow on 500, its what you call experimenting with your body, how else will he find out what works or doesnt,

he will also find out by doing such a cycle how he responds to the gear and the lenght, if he docoments the results he will be able to work out whats best for him for the next cycle, he as to start somewhere and why not at the average?

your statement saying "Each person must learn his-her body and how each AAS affects their body....PERIOD!" how can he do that without trying the average dose first?
he as to start somewhere,why not the average

Marcus...not trying to flame you mate....as a matter of fact...i have alot more respect for you then most people on this board...i solute you for the courage to stand up for some of PBourenson's (PB) ideas and philosophy (many of which i subscribe to and use).

Now...back to the subject at hand. I don't think that 500mgs is a beginners dosage....NO SIR!

I think a 200 mg dose for about 8 wks would be MORE THAN enough to get results for a beginner. But....as i said....that's my personal OPINION...and i even though i'be been juicen for over 10 yrs....i really don't know the original posters blood work, body type, diet, excersize program, sleep habits, etc.

As you know...PB produced some Great short cycles...

My philosophy with AAS....do the least amount neccessary...and take your time growing.....Rome wasn't built overnight...!

Peace!

[marcus300]

Marcus...not trying to flame you mate....as a matter of fact...i have alot more respect for you then most people on this board...i solute you for the courage to stand up for some of PBourenson's (PB) ideas and philosophy (many of which i subscribe to and use).

Now...back to the subject at hand. I don't think that 500mgs is a beginners dosage....NO SIR!

I think a 200 mg dose for about 8 wks would be MORE THAN enough to get results for a beginner. But....as i said....that's my personal OPINION...and i even though i'be been juicen for over 10 yrs....i really don't know the original posters blood work, body type, diet, excersize program, sleep habits, etc.

As you know...PB produced some Great short cycles...

My philosophy with AAS....do the least amount neccessary...and take your time growing.....Rome wasn't built overnight...!

Peace!

No problem,

i was just stating he had to start somewhere and why not at the average dose for first timers, then he can judge what works or doesnt,