first cycle starting tomorow

[naz-uk]

im going to be starting my first cycle tomorow which is going to be.

1-10 250mg test e
1-10 200mg deca
1-4 15mg dbol

im going to take milk thistle obv for the dbol, but will i need to take nolva with the cycle or wait till pct (assuming no gyno signs appear) anything else which is recomended to take along with the cycle?

pct im going to take clomid and nolva 2 weeks after last shot, anything else recomended with the pct for this cycle?

[stocky121]

you should be running the test one week longer

why run a test and deca

when you could have run test at 500mg ew instead

[naz-uk]

i think i might run the test for 12 weeks, basicaly my mate who deals with our supplier insisted on this (cause he says they work amazing together), you think i am better off doing 500mg test with 200mg deca, or just leave it at 250 test and 200 deca

[stocky121]

i think i might run the test for 12 weeks, basicaly my mate who deals with our supplier insisted on this (cause he says they work amazing together), you think i am better off doing 500mg test with 200mg deca, or just leave it at 250 test and 200 deca

i think your best leaving the deca out and just using test 500mg per week for 10-12 week's but that's just me mate

leave the deca for cycle number 2

[Gra]

i think your best leaving the deca out and just using test 500mg per week for 10-12 week's but that's just me mate

leave the deca for cycle number 2

Agreed..

[naz-uk]

okey well i always had that in the back of my mind so i guess il go with that, so as far as nolva goes do i need to take that with the cycle of can it wait till pct? is there any reason not to take nolva cause if there isnt id rather be safe than sorry!!

anything else advised to take with the cycle? or with pct?

[stocky121]

okey well i always had that in the back of my mind so i guess il go with that, so as far as nolva goes do i need to take that with the cycle of can it wait till pct? is there any reason not to take nolva cause if there isnt id rather be safe than sorry!!

anything else advised to take with the cycle? or with pct?

if you are going to use deca you should be taking 200mg b6 per day but i hope your not

you don't have to take an anti e but it's best to keep one on hand just incase

you could take nolve at 20mg eod during cycle

[naz-uk]

just out of curisoity why is b6 necesary with deca?

[stocky121]

just out of curisoity why is b6 necesary with deca?

because deca and tren convert to progesterone not estrogen. So nolva will be useless

you need b6 to help reduce progesterone level's

[naz-uk]

cool thanks man

[sp9]

By all means, listen to Stocky121. Use test only first - if you use test and deca you will not know which is causing you side effects. Different drugs require differrent counter measures to side effects. It is important that you get to know how you react to test by itself first. Save the deca for a second cycle so you can tell if you have trouble with it specificaly since you are adding one thing at a time. You can listen to everyones input, but your genetics are different and your experience will be unique.

[naz-uk]

ok just some theoretical questions then:

1. if i chose to do the deca would it be better to do it with 250 test or 500 test

2. if i did just the test can i do all 500 in 1 shot, or do i need to spread it over 2 shots, say on monday and thursday.

[stocky121]

ok just some theoretical questions then:

1. if i chose to do the deca would it be better to do it with 250 test or 500 testleave the deca out this is the last time i'am going to say it because i've said it so meny time's and it's getting boring now do what ever you feel like doing

2. if i did just the test can i do all 500 in 1 shot, or do i need to spread it over 2 shots, say on monday and thursday. split it into two shoot's

see bold

[sp9]

1) If you ignore the advise than by all means run the test 100mg higher than the deca to try to avoid deca dick as one of the side effects. You are risking gyno with deca and test and they each cause it through different mechanisms, so this means you will have to add additional counter measures (drugs.supps) to your cycle. How much junk do you want to throw into your body for a first cycle? Be patient.

2) Shoot test e 2 times per week, preferably 3.5 days apart, like monday night and Thurdays morning. This will give yo a more steady level of test in your system. Me, If I do not keep levels steady I get bad acne. When they are steady, no acne. Big difference.

[sp9]

Be sure to go to the drug profile forum and read carefully.
You would need nolva for gyno that can be caused by test and something like bromo for gyno that can be caused by deca:

"I’d also recommend taking an anti-progesteronic drug with deca (or at least having it on hand): Cabergoline and Bromocriptine are both good choices."

So be sure to buy these extra drugs. If you do the more complicated first cycle, just for drugs you use, or on hand you will need 5 types (to be safe):

Test
Deca
Nolva
Bromo
Clomid

Gyno surgery is no joke, and introducing 5 new drugs to your body at one time is not optimal. Why not use test, have nolva on hand or take 10mg a day, and clomid/novla for pct.

3 drugs instead of 5?

[naz-uk]

ok then well ill forget about the deca and run the test at 500, is it ok to take the dbol for 1st cycle, as in the educational threads and other sites some people have said yes and some have said no??

[stocky121]

ok then well ill forget about the deca and run the test at 500, is it ok to take the dbol for 1st cycle, as in the educational threads and other sites some people have said yes and some have said no??

i would say you can kick start a cycle with d/boll

week1-4 30mg ed

[sp9]

It's an additional risk and not optimal to do for risk sake.

Do you have high blood pressure? Does blood pressure and heart problems run in your family? What is your age? I would rule it out all together for a first cycle and try it at a low dose the second time.

If you don't mind needles and want to see results faster than waiting 3-4 weeks for the test, get some test prop, you will see results in 5 days. And you will still be using only one type of drug.I love dbol as a kick start but I am glad I waited to use it in a second cycle.

[Gra]

1)
2) Shoot test e 2 times per week, preferably 3.5 days apart, like monday night and Thurdays morning.

How long is it between monday night and thursday morning? Sorry, hadto do it..

[sp9]

How long is it between monday night and thursday morning? Sorry, hadto do it..

Yes- good joke. I have had recent instances where someone new thought 84/2 =48. So I elaborated.