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I take 3-5 Amino 1800 BCAA upon rising, drink some coffee and watch sportcenter, then hit the treadmill 30 minutes later. Here are the ingredients in the BCAA capsules: Soybean oil, gelatin, glycerin, soy lecithin, beeswax/soybean oil micture, titanium dioxide color.
I don't have cold hard facts but I would say absolutely not.
Again I just pulled that out of my ass
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My buddy takes 4 liver tablet but those have 10 calories per tablet, those things are loaded with aminos but the calories bother me before cardio
I burn about 40 calories inthe first 3 minutes in the gym by walking over taking a piss and getting ready. I woudn't worry about 40 cals
Made Of Sugar
I wouldnt worry about the aminos either...JMO...I think amino tabs were invented by trainers as a way to get extra money out of traineesI woudn't worry about 40 cals
Associate Member
I will keep it up and not worry about it. I figured if you do not start burning fat until the 20 minute mark, those few calories will get used anyway. Thanks for the help, off to school,later.
Anabolic Member
Originally Posted by chinups
ha ha
i like that
actually i remember advising someone to take amino's before cardio to prevent muscle protein protein breakdown and Giantz stepped in and told me i was 100% wrong
apparantly the amino's will be used as fuel as they get broken down into glucose
this is the case with AM cardio anyway - cos your body doesnt have anything else to use as fuel and so will use the aminos in favour of your bodies fat stores
Verdict: No amino's before AM cardio
I mean sure your body may have to burn that supplement you took but honestly how long will it take your body to burn it? The theory is there but the fact will remain he will reap the benefits of morning cardio regardless....
In this field we tend to always over think...
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Yeah, I wouldnt worry about it much either. God, everyone is so damn paranoid when it comes to AM cardio. LMAO
If I could just get my ass up at 4am and do it I wouldn't care if I ate ice cream while doing it for C sake I just want to do it!! GOD DAMN IT!!!
4am is hard
Anabolic Member
what would be the point in taking an expensive supplement if u knew your body would have to burn it off before using your fat stores?
none, zero, zip, nip nadda
etc
BCAA is not expensive and it uses it for energy. The body uses it when it deems necesary no? So I ask you if you didn't have it would that be bad?
Anabolic Member
if u didnt have it would it be bad? - NO
if u did have it would it be bad? - NO
would there be any point in having it? - NO
He gets energy from it. Why not take it????
I don't claim to knot the science behind it but to just say no is well
do you have any proof of it doing 0????
or you are giving an opinion like me
Anabolic Member
it gives provides him with energy instead of using his body's fat stores as energy
whats the point in taking something that will be used in favour of your fat stores? -
it negates the point of doin AM cardio in the first place
obviously it wont take long to burn it - but it is still pointless
AM cardio should be in a fasted state
i dont have any proof no - ask Giantz i'm sure he can lead you to a study or two
It makes sense. I just wouldn't give it much thought, at least this much thought. Either way its advantages or disadvantages would be tiny
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Damn, you guys are sill talking about this. Crazy....
D-bol Poppin'
Thats exactly why, he would want his energy to come from his own fat deposits
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Thats exactly why, he would want his energy to come from his own fat deposits
Exaclty. No point in taking any BCAA's. They will just be converted to glucose. A waste.
Respected Member
Agreed, really no point. If it makes you sleep a little better at night and you feel all warm and cozy with 5g of BCAA's pre cardio then please, continue. The difference is minimal either way. I'd just rather use my BCAA's at a better time.
Anabolic Member
seems like a lot of people on here like to nay say a lot of things just to make themselves sound cutting edge and like they know more than everyone else as far as supplements go...i have seen studies showing that BCAAs before AM cardio prevent cortisol production by 70% or something like that. just like when i have seen many pro bodybuilders take glutamine and Giantz still says its pointless...who am i gonna listen to? jay cutler who is a 3 time arnold classic champ or Giantz? hmmm i think ill listen to jay cutler...this is no offense to giantz as i know he can show me like 50 reports showing that glutamine is worthless but like i said...am i gonna listen to jay cutler or some guy in a lab coat who has never used the stuff before...and many times a lot of these scientists are paid to find the answer the person wants. if a guy wants it shown that glutamine is worthless than he will make it happen.
D-bol Poppin'
Well look at it this way : if you were the next mr. O giantz wouldn't give a sh!t but jay might have a problem with it so he's throwing smoke up all our a$$es
There is a nice little subject written by chriss cook in latest (or the one b4 last - since I live in shitwille) version of muscular development....about pros lying and handing out false info
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Yeah go listen to Jay Cutler, genetics/steroids/gh/igf played no part of his success. He just took Cell-Tech and got to where his is today. You know I thought you were fairly intelligent but you just showed A) What a complete Jackass you are and B) How fvcking stupid you are. You're gonna listen to Jay Cutler???? Why not then load up on all MT and I'm sure one day you too can be a Mr.O. I provided studies cause I don't takes Bro's word for things, if you knew one fvcking thing about nutrition and the way Amino's are metabolized you would not have said what you just said, instead you look like a moron. I showed you 50 studies from about 50 different sources as to why Glutamine is worthless done on strength athlets, you think these people were out to prove Glutamine is wothless. You are retarded. Its a proven fact that about 70% of orally ingested Glutamine is rendered usless by the gut upon ingestion, but you read that too???
Show me the study to says BCAA's reduce cortisol by 70%, please, show it to me. I'd be very interested.
Bro are you this naive or is it just me??? IFBB Pro's really take ****ing Glutamine to get ripped?? And you believe that??? You don't for one second think that people are paid to push certain products??? Or they jsut basically make up a whole bunch of BS hwne interviewed, cause yeah Ronnie is all natural.
Bro I got the message with your post and calling me out for being well thought out and referencing studies is moronic, I'm sorry. You keep taking what Jay tells you too.....
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Well look at it this way : if you were the next mr. O giantz wouldn't give a sh!t but jay might have a problem with it so he's throwing smoke up all our a$$es
There is a nice little subject written by chriss cook in latest (or the one b4 last - since I live in shitwille) version of muscular development....about pros lying and handing out false info
There is a nice little subject written by chriss cook in latest (or the one b4 last - since I live in shitwille) version of muscular development....about pros lying and handing out false info
Holy shit, no way!!!! Pro's do this???? Not pro bodybuilders, no way!!!!!
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not all pros give out false info.
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I'm fairly certain I didn't say all. But lets be honest, it ain't the AM glutamine.
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i agree with you. glutamine doesnt do much for me either but lets not give pros a bad name. a couple of pros have lied to push products but many pros are the nicest guys you will ever meet.
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I dont think this is the main verdict here. I personally know 2 people that have been in major mags. They were paid to endorse a supplement that they have never taken before. In one imparticular case, my best friend was in a couple major mags endorsing a Pro Hormone. They wrote an entire article with Q&A's and he didnt have anything to do with it. He signed on the dotted line, got paid, and they wrote what they wanted. So if some tool picked up a mag and saw that feedback from a guy with such an outstanding physique they'd think about purchasing it.
When I worked at GNC and a few other places I had tons of people walk in holding magazines. They would open to a page and show a product to me that they wanted. They claimed since "whoever" was endorsing it they wanted it b/c it worked for them.
Marketing is one thing and science coupled with real life experience is another. You make the choice..........
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Oh I'm sure, and pehaps some do use Glutamine, BCAA's etc... but because they use it, that all of a sudden validates it as a supplement. I mean with everything they are on, they can narrow down Glutamine to really helping their career. I'm sure they get free supps and take'em, why the hell not.
Have You Picked a Fight Lately?
Giantz, tells you the truth and proves it, pros...well who the hell knows what they're telling us, and it's validity will never be proven.
This conversation reminds me of a stand-up comedian I saw recently...
he was saying how sex sells everything...
you see a commercial for some disease and you think...
"DAMN I want that disease! It comes with a really HOT chick and a Vacation!"
but really, it's the underlying truth that is what we're all after, not what marketing sells us...Giantz, i love you bro, and your sometimes brutal honesty...
Have You Picked a Fight Lately?
and there it is so everyone can see it...
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dawg chill out...of course everyone uses that same damn line..."they are on steroids"....oh really geeze i didnt know that wow that changes my whole perspective. okay ill show you the study its in a magazine at work so ill scan it and post it tomorrow evening. oh and jay isnt paid to push glutamine so i dunno why you brought up pros lying to push products. oh and why are you cussing? trying to sound cutting edge again? haha okay that part was a joke...i dont take what he tells me to take...i take what I SEE him taking...when i see ACTUAL PROS AT EXPOS scooping glutamine into their mouths, that might be a good reason to take it huh?Yeah go listen to Jay Cutler, genetics/steroids/gh/igf played no part of his success. He just took Cell-Tech and got to where his is today. You know I thought you were fairly intelligent but you just showed A) What a complete Jackass you are and B) How fvcking stupid you are. You're gonna listen to Jay Cutler???? Why not then load up on all MT and I'm sure one day you too can be a Mr.O. I provided studies cause I don't takes Bro's word for things, if you knew one fvcking thing about nutrition and the way Amino's are metabolized you would not have said what you just said, instead you look like a moron. I showed you 50 studies from about 50 different sources as to why Glutamine is worthless done on strength athlets, you think these people were out to prove Glutamine is wothless. You are retarded. Its a proven fact that about 70% of orally ingested Glutamine is rendered usless by the gut upon ingestion, but you read that too???
Show me the study to says BCAA's reduce cortisol by 70%, please, show it to me. I'd be very interested.
Bro are you this naive or is it just me??? IFBB Pro's really take ****ing Glutamine to get ripped?? And you believe that??? You don't for one second think that people are paid to push certain products??? Or they jsut basically make up a whole bunch of BS hwne interviewed, cause yeah Ronnie is all natural.
Bro I got the message with your post and calling me out for being well thought out and referencing studies is moronic, I'm sorry. You keep taking what Jay tells you too.....
Have You Picked a Fight Lately?
Yeah... and I read in US Weekly That Nick Lechey Had An Affair With Jesscia's Stand-In, Did you see that? I'll get it out of the magazine tomorrow and post it...
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i have used glutamine myself with no benefits , but i was taking 10 grams a day , but alot recommend to be beneficial you need 40 grams a day , infact if glutamine is rubbish how do they use it in hospitals ??
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They use it for Burn victims and they use it IV. Big difference.
Respected Member
You missed the point yet again.....Your logic is that of a 3 year old, not cutting edge....the truth.
Anabolic Member
i think there is a difference between gossip and studies.Yeah... and I read in US Weekly That Nick Lechey Had An Affair With Jesscia's Stand-In, Did you see that? I'll get it out of the magazine tomorrow and post it...
Anabolic Member
Giantz just curious didnt you say a while back that pros have been using insulin the wrong way for years?
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Nope
Anabolic Member
did you say there is no need for an insulin spike pwo and therefore impying that it would be pointless to use insulin pwo?
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